long legged buzzard from Poland ? (1 Viewer)

Michał Jaro

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• Oct 2, 2017

• #1

Hi
I think it cam be my first long legged buzzard. But my pictures are very poor.
Can you confirm ?

 

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Tom

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• Oct 2, 2017

• #2

'interesting' pictures but how to ID a Long-legged here?
Gut feeling is adult bird with subterminal bar in tail in pic 3 which would be at odds with Long-legged...

 

Andy Adcock

Worst person on Birdforum

• Oct 2, 2017

• #3

Wouldn't Vulpinus or a hybrid of, be more likely in Poland?


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Michał Jaro

Well-known member

• Oct 2, 2017

• #4

Thanks for help!
First - vulpinus is VERY! rare bird in Poland.
Second - bird drew my attention by:
1) eye-catching contrast between white primaries and wide black edge.
2) brown/redcoverts, dark primary coverts ( lower) .
I don't see bar in tail, too poor picture I think ...
Could it be buteo buteo with that chatacteristics?

 

Michał Jaro

Well-known member

• Oct 2, 2017

• #5

And one thing more - white belly

 

lou salomon

the birdonist

• Oct 2, 2017

• #6

i think it is a common buzzard, maybe an orangey one. but for me, proportions don't fit LLB.

 

Michał Jaro

Well-known member

• Oct 2, 2017

• #7

Ok - that's right - I didn't think about proportions.
Thanks so much!

 

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AlinoVegano

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• Oct 2, 2017

• #8

Definitely a Common Buzzard indeed, Michał Jaro, I woudn't say vulpinus is very rare in Poland: I guess many Eastern Poland buteo Common Buzzard are also partly vulpinus. Most a mixed genes in this area.

 

Michał Jaro

Well-known member

• Oct 2, 2017

• #9

Thanks for opinion. There is one question - why we cant't see even once a year clear vulpinus ? In polish rare birds lists you don't find vulpinus couple of years back.

 

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P.Sunesen

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• Oct 3, 2017

• #10

Michał Jaro;3625159 said:

Thanks for opinion. There is one question - why we cant't see even once a year clear vulpinus ? In polish rare birds lists you don't find vulpinus couple of years back.

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Because vulpinus is not an easy subspecies to identify in the field, and when seen away from the main breeding areas, migration routes and winter quarters, it is therefore advisible* to record sight records of vulpinus-like Buzzards merely as "showing the characters of vulpinus".

Consequently such records don't make it to the definite national list of species/subspecies of the country in question, except of course if a bird was captured or found dead, and proved to be small enough to exclude the nominate and intermediate individuals.

Peter

* http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=43506
scroll down to the post by Dick Forsman near the bottom of the page

 

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AlinoVegano

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• Oct 3, 2017

• #11

Michał Jaro;3625159 said:

Thanks for opinion. There is one question - why we cant't see even once a year clear vulpinus ? In polish rare birds lists you don't find vulpinus couple of years back.

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I agree with P. Sunensen opinion, and recall that mixed-genes individuals are not listed as vulpinus in lists.