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Old Friday 4th March 2016, 13:04   #1
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Swarovski TLS APO 23 DSLR Adapter

Swarovski have announced the new TLS APO 23 DSLR Adapter for Micro Four Thirds cameras today
http://www.swarovskioptik.com/huntin...ameras_hunting
I've been testing it out over the last two weeks with my Panasonic GX8 and GH4.
As I shoot a lot of video these days I'm getting used to manual focusing so the APO TLS 23 suits me more than using a lens on the camera. Also it's a more robust connection for following action. Easy to take off and on for viewing.
I've put a short video up here from the GX8 shot in 4k. View at 1440p resolution or higher for best results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMYv...ature=youtu.be
These are some photos taken at the bush pond over the last couple of days.
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Panasonic GX8 and Swarovski STX85 scope and TLS APO 23 DSLR Adapter
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OMG Neil, they are gorgeous. Love the lighting, texture and detail!
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Old Friday 4th March 2016, 16:24   #3
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Best ones I've ever seen. Your going to have to up your game Frank, lol
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Superb set of photos.
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Best ones I've ever seen. Your going to have to up your game Frank, lol
I ain't ever gonna touch this type of level. I only use a piddly Iphone.
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ohh the video in 1440p is already stunning! and this adapter is not yet released till 1-APR
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Thanks for comments Guys. This is not a quantum leap for digiscopers as maybe the STX series was, but for Micro Four Third users it means that we have a much more useful range to shoot with - from 1150 mm - 2760 mm on the STX 85 scope. When shooting 4k video there is a further 1.3x crop as well.
In pixel peeping I'm not seeing any CA or other distortions, especially around water, which was apparent with the GH4 and 20/1.7.
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If anyone wants to have a close look at the detail from a raw original at full sized jpeg with the GX8, I have put one up here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/789255...posted-public/

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what is the effective f-stop with the new adapter? should be a bit better compared to the previous I guess, in exif it seems that you have 1/125 sec and still pretty high ISO in many photos. but I guess the limit is still the scope aperture.

and another question, is it usable as a normal camera lens?

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Yes, I am also interested in the precise focal length and f-stop data on this adapter. A long time ago Clay Taylor (Swaro rep) provided the attached spreadsheet for the original TLS APO. I'm interested in the updated figures for micro-4/3 format using the new TLS APO 23.

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If anyone wants to have a close look at the detail from a raw original at full sized jpeg with the GX8, I have put one up here
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Neil,

I followed your suggestion and looked at the flickr image full-sized. I notice a great deal of noise in the image. Since I don't use anything but an Iphone for my digiscoping I have not idea if this is typical with a "regular camera". Is it my computer monitor not capable of viewing the resolution of the photo maybe?
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Frank,
I'm sure Neil will reply, but I had the same reaction to the full sized image: a lot of noise. Then I looked and I can see it was at ISO 2000. Plus the image probably has zero Noise Reduction applied. I think many of us are accustomed and perhaps not aware of noise reduction that gets automatically applied to RAW images. i.e., some might be shocked to see the true noise level in images before noise reduction algorithms are applied (same goes for your iPhone images for sure). However micro-4/3 sensors with 20 megapixels can be expected to have more noise. Even with the slightly larger pixels on my 16MP Olympus E-M1, I always try to stay at ISO 800 or lower if I can, even if it means the shutter speed is slower than I would like. Keeping the ISO as low as I can helps both noise and dynamic range. These mirrorless cameras have electronic shutter and with a good tripod, remote release and a stationary subject, you can get sharp images at slower shutter speeds. Just my 2 cents.

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Dave,

Lots of good info. Thank you.
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I followed your suggestion and looked at the flickr image full-sized. I notice a great deal of noise in the image. Since I don't use anything but an Iphone for my digiscoping I have not idea if this is typical with a "regular camera". Is it my computer monitor not capable of viewing the resolution of the photo maybe?
The noise is a fact of life unfortunately with the iso we have to use out here in the early Spring and digiscoping in the woodlands - foggy and drizzly is the order of the day. At iso 2,000 Micro Four Thirds cameras are really struggling with noise. I really don't like to go over iso 800. I think from memory that image was an unadjusted Raw straight from the camera. I have image adjustments turned down or OFF in the camera as I like to do all in post. Noiseware does a reasonable job of cleaning up noise.
Last week I was shooting thrushes for stills with my Nikon at iso 12,800 and video at 25,600. You should see the noise in those.
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Hi Neil,

You seem to be getting wonderful bokeh with this adapter on the GX8, and the video at 1440 setting showed fine feather detail, especially around the eye. What is it like to use with the GH4 for photos and video - does the absence of image stabilisation in the GH4 matter when used on a tripod?

I ask this as I have a GH4 and a Swarovski ATX95. I have been contemplating buying the Digiadapter and 20mm lens, but this new adapter might be a better option.

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Hi Neil,

You seem to be getting wonderful bokeh with this adapter on the GX8, and the video at 1440 setting showed fine feather detail, especially around the eye. What is it like to use with the GH4 for photos and video - does the absence of image stabilisation in the GH4 matter when used on a tripod?

I ask this as I have a GH4 and a Swarovski ATX95. I have been contemplating buying the Digiadapter and 20mm lens, but this new adapter might be a better option.

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Both options are good. It is nice sometimes to have the option of Auto Focus with the 20/1.7 or Sigma 30/2.8, but as I shoot mostly video these days it's not so important to me. It is easier to take the TLS APO off for viewing.
50/50 decision. Maybe price could be the decider.
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what T2-adapter you are using between tls apo and MFT-camera, who has been manufactured them

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what T2-adapter you are using between tls apo and MFT-camera, who has been manufactured them
Sorry to be slow answering your question. I'm using the Kipon T-m4/3 for the TLS APO23 and a Kenko for the TLS APO 30. I've had problems with the screws popping out of the Kenko.
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Sorry to be slow answering your question. I'm using the Kipon T-m4/3 for the TLS APO23 and a Kenko for the TLS APO 30. I've had problems with the screws popping out of the Kenko.
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Here are my test with 2 adapters and vinjetting with shorter one
http://panasonicg7.blogspot.fi/
Thanks for the tests. I've been seeing a bit of vignetting with mine so I'll try some others.
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Here are my test with 2 adapters and vinjetting with shorter one
http://panasonicg7.blogspot.fi/
Hi Musti,
by my calculation, the length of a micro 4/3 T2 adapter should be about 35.75mm (55.0-19.25mm). Anything significantly longer or shorter than this will result in a lower image quality (especially chromatic aberration) and a large amount of refocusing between eye and camera use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flange_focal_distance
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... the length of a micro 4/3 T2 adapter should be about 35.75mm (55.0-19.25mm)...
If the length of the micro 4/3 T2 adapter isn't the good one, you can correct it using T2 extension tubes...
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If the length of the micro 4/3 T2 adapter isn't the good one, you can correct it using T2 extension tubes...
Thanks, I will study and test more
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Has anybody compared this to the Digidapter? (http://www.digiscopeadapter.com/)

Also are there any comparison regarding the f/stop between TLS APO 23 and the TLS APO 30?
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Just for fun I've just ordered another Tmount/M/43rds adapter off Amazon
Fotodiox Lens Mount Adapter, T2/T-Mount Lens to Micro Four Thirds (MFT)
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