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Large Swedish raptor & 2 small juveniles for ID (1 Viewer)

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Macswede
The raptor was seen on 18th July in northern Dalecarnia, close to the Norwegian border. It patrolled a river before flying off. We stopped the car and got out to take a look.
It looked large and grey.

The juveniles were in roughly the same area. They were small and I think I know what they were but I'm not entirely sure.

I'd be really grateful for any ideas. I know the quality of the raptor pictures isn't great. :)
 

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First thing we thought of was Osprey as it was patrolling the river but I've never seen one give such a grey impression. Have to confess it looked a lot like an Osprey while I was processing the images just now though.

Dunnocks would be nice for the juveniles as I've never seen one in Sweden. I thought they had a greenish tinge but that could have been a trick of the light.
 
they've got a pied flycatcher feel to them, but to be honest, I haven't a clue! Raptor is definitely an osprey however.
 
My first reaction on the juvs was Stonechat - aren't they just too long legged for Spotted Fly?

Mind you I've just seen the second picture and they might be too long-winged for Stonechat!
 
Stonechats are extremely rare in Sweden. Bluethroats would be more likely to be frank.
For what it's worth I saw young Spotflys in the general area.
It was mainly because I was fairly sure they weren't Robins that I took the pictures.
 
We have to remember that Flycatchers leave their nest in very early stage, when they have only "assisted" flying skills...
 
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