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Are You Guilty (1 Viewer)
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Darren Oakley-Martin
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How can you assign guilt when its an accident?
You don't exactly go careering off roads to kill them, one would assume.
If there is guilt to be assigned, how about the unchecked advance of technology and the speed at which life is led?
This thread seems a little inflammatory to me, (and I should know)
Regards
You don't exactly go careering off roads to kill them, one would assume.
If there is guilt to be assigned, how about the unchecked advance of technology and the speed at which life is led?
This thread seems a little inflammatory to me, (and I should know)
Regards
mountain man
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Darren,
It certainly is inflamatory, but nontheless tragically true.
I think I've done over 4,500 miles this year just birding. So even though my membership to various organisations and ALWAYS paying for permits and entry fees at reserves, undeniably helps the cause of birds, my excessive driving probably cancels out all of that.
However, I've never actually hit a bird. But I fear it may only be time...
It certainly is inflamatory, but nontheless tragically true.
I think I've done over 4,500 miles this year just birding. So even though my membership to various organisations and ALWAYS paying for permits and entry fees at reserves, undeniably helps the cause of birds, my excessive driving probably cancels out all of that.
However, I've never actually hit a bird. But I fear it may only be time...
Yes the ignorant abuse is starting again !!Darrenom said:
But back to my thread Fact Most animal species can judge objects moving at up to 40 mph. Fact if every driver kept at 40mph or below the estimated 10 million birds that are accidentally killed on our roads would have more than likely survived.
Suricate
mountain man
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I haven't seen any ignorant abuse - YET!
Darren Oakley-Martin
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No ignorant abuse iintended but the question is not so much one of personal guilt but of collective responsibilty.
Your post seemed to allude to the former.
Your subsequent post has clarified your intended point somewhat.
Your post seemed to allude to the former.
Your subsequent post has clarified your intended point somewhat.
Darrenom said:
As you know there are many adverse affects on all wildlife and there is a growing need for firstly a full understanding of the reasons for bird decline All aspects and secondly the importance for the rehabilitation of wildlife.
Many road accidents are treatable, many poisons can be treated there are so many areas within rehab that are beneficial.
Suricate
Edward woodwood
Member
those who drive will kill birds
thread closed?
thread closed?
Darren Oakley-Martin
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Think it already was Tim.Tim Allwood said:
Dave B Smith
Well-known member
We have a family policy of driving cautiously and following speedlimits. We also have one of trying to avoid accidents with wildlife but only to the extent of NOT causing an accident ourselves in trying to miss a critter.
We also still put windows in our homes and offices and that is supposedly the single largest killer of birds, even over habitat destruction.
Hopefully we can find ways to reduce these threats to wildlife, while maintaining our ability to move about and live in a practical home.
We also still put windows in our homes and offices and that is supposedly the single largest killer of birds, even over habitat destruction.
Hopefully we can find ways to reduce these threats to wildlife, while maintaining our ability to move about and live in a practical home.
esmondb
The fool that MrT doesn't pity
Am I guilty?
Well I've never hit anything more than bugs in summer.
I ride a motorbike so I have less emissions per mile and am a smaller target area for wildlife, in fact I'd go as far as to say I'm more likely to be the injured party if I collide with any wildlife.
Bit of a bugger carrying a scope.
Well I've never hit anything more than bugs in summer.
I ride a motorbike so I have less emissions per mile and am a smaller target area for wildlife, in fact I'd go as far as to say I'm more likely to be the injured party if I collide with any wildlife.
Bit of a bugger carrying a scope.
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alcedo.atthis
Well-known member
Questioning your statement(s)
"The has been an increase in bird road casualties (especially Kestrels ). This is obviously due to new roads BUT ALL drivers are guilty."
Factually incorrect. Roads kill nothing. It's usually the vehicles and impact which do the damage.
"It is all well to make light of a call for raptor culls !!! But even birders in cars kill birds."
Factually incorrect also. It's usually the pressure wave from the front of the vehicle, and the back down-draft from the rear of the vehicle, the former pulling the bird into the latter, which usually creates the problem. This is usually created by high-sided vehicles, not cars. The aerodynamic design of most cars would lead this claim (But even birders in cars kill birds.) into the realm of highly improbable, especially relating to Kestrels and their associated road deaths.
Blackbirds and Pheasants flying low across roads is a different matter. As was the Waxwing which flew from my garden, straight into the side of a stationary double-decker bus. Stupid bird must have thought the bus was picking up passengers. Door was closed, oops!!
I witnessed 2 Owls killed on Monday, by the back-draft of box trailer lorries. The birds never came close to actually hitting the trailers.
Just wrong place at the wrong time.
I wonder if the Sparrowhawk was a hit-man for the mob.
American Robin which knew too much perhaps, see??
Never mind, if it had bred with one of ours, we could have had an "Alliance Robin"? Hey, new tick for the boys!
As for the Budgie, it belongs in the outback, or kept in safety, not in the wild in the U. K.
Malky @ Westhill in mirth mode, at times.
"The has been an increase in bird road casualties (especially Kestrels ). This is obviously due to new roads BUT ALL drivers are guilty."
Factually incorrect. Roads kill nothing. It's usually the vehicles and impact which do the damage.
"It is all well to make light of a call for raptor culls !!! But even birders in cars kill birds."
Factually incorrect also. It's usually the pressure wave from the front of the vehicle, and the back down-draft from the rear of the vehicle, the former pulling the bird into the latter, which usually creates the problem. This is usually created by high-sided vehicles, not cars. The aerodynamic design of most cars would lead this claim (But even birders in cars kill birds.) into the realm of highly improbable, especially relating to Kestrels and their associated road deaths.
Blackbirds and Pheasants flying low across roads is a different matter. As was the Waxwing which flew from my garden, straight into the side of a stationary double-decker bus. Stupid bird must have thought the bus was picking up passengers. Door was closed, oops!!
I witnessed 2 Owls killed on Monday, by the back-draft of box trailer lorries. The birds never came close to actually hitting the trailers.
Just wrong place at the wrong time.
I wonder if the Sparrowhawk was a hit-man for the mob.
American Robin which knew too much perhaps, see??
Never mind, if it had bred with one of ours, we could have had an "Alliance Robin"? Hey, new tick for the boys!
As for the Budgie, it belongs in the outback, or kept in safety, not in the wild in the U. K.
Malky @ Westhill in mirth mode, at times.
alcedo.atthis
Well-known member
Question regarding the W&CA.
"If you look at the Wildlife and Countryside Act, 1981. It is legal to kill a bird if it is a result of a lawful act."
Just curious, which section states this.
Malky @ Westhill
"If you look at the Wildlife and Countryside Act, 1981. It is legal to kill a bird if it is a result of a lawful act."
Just curious, which section states this.
Malky @ Westhill
alcedo.atthis said:
Splitting hairs does not remove the fact that over 10 million birds are killed on our roads each year by cars lorries backdraft call it what you like but the statistics show that there is a serious problem regarding road deaths.
Perhaps you find it amusing but there are people that care and do something about helping redress the problem and treating the injured wildlife.
So your crass comments are not even remotely funny I handled enough road casualties already this year.
alcedo.atthis
Well-known member
[If you look at Section 4 sub section 2 but read it in conjuntion with Section 1.
It would be hard to prove but the legislation is there.
Yes, but the decision to be made in Section 4, subsection 2, (b) has to be made by a qualified person.
Mlaky @ Westhill
It would be hard to prove but the legislation is there.
Yes, but the decision to be made in Section 4, subsection 2, (b) has to be made by a qualified person.
Mlaky @ Westhill
Andrew Diment
Well-known member
The thing is, if you drive everywhere at 100mph, you are long gone by the time the bird gets to cross the road anyway.
Or perhaps we should all go back to having a servant walk in front waving a red flag when we're out driving.
Or perhaps we should all go back to having a servant walk in front waving a red flag when we're out driving.
Andrew Diment said:
Thanks Andrew I thought I`d have to go over it again !
Great idea if we all drove at 40mph or less or used public transport we would save or have the potential to save millions of birds. Now this is scientific fact. Making wise cracks about bird deaths says a great deal about your character.
It was a quite straightforward question as I was interested in sensible comments.
