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Slightly odd for Baltic I think Lou. Structurally heavier - not the slender long-winged (although beats most Herrings with a few inches) but short-legged as fuscus. Colour tone - at least on the standing bird - seems to warm, but might of course be due to light. Note a few new scapulars, which seems LBBG dark and a very fresh plumage

http://www.elisanet.fi/antero.lindholm/public_html/fuscus/tara.htm

In flight the broad winged impression is obvious, and again we might be focusing on LBBG but not nominate, instead graellsii/intermedius, which sometimes has slight window on inner hand.

I have just now seen on Hannu Koskinens site the suggestion western LBBG is suggested, which is in line with my own. Note in those images the darker inner hand:

http://www.elisanet.fi/hj.koskinen/Juvfus_Tara20080921.html

and this one:

http://www.elisanet.fi/hj.koskinen/Juvdark_Tara20080921.html

JanJ
 
Hello Lou.

I have just seen that image from the Madeira and was aboy to put it on here for a view.

I think the middle individual could be a Herring Gull, they do occur on there, although in what numbers I don´t know.
A party of 5 gulls the left one looks like a LBBG, followed by the Herring Gull, and 3 YLG

Here are some images Lou.

http://azores.seawatching.net/index.php?page=onespecies&id=647

http://www.martinreid.com/Gull website/atlainx.html

http://www.pbase.com/dophoto/grealeatlantis&page=all

http://www.pbase.com/upupa/image/56915717

http://www.pbase.com/upupa/image/74406881

http://www.pbase.com/upupa/image/74414225

Some from Madeira:

http://madeira.seawatching.net/species/Lar_mic_atl/index.html

http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Jniemi/larmic019copy72.jpg

JanJ
 
hm, yes, but it looks long winged and -legged. and head is big, and the bird is pretty large. could well be a male HG on plumage. for the left one i agree on graellsii/intermedius.

thank you for the good links, as usual, jan!
 
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Hi Guys,

For your interest, two 1st winter 'rarities' taken today (oh I'm in Beidaihe, China) and gulls really building up, plenty of Mongolian and others- might be picking your brains soon! :eek!: Currently too windy to work on the big fellas!
Remember Lou with regards Relict and my impression that they often appear rather short-legged, small headed things, strange how breeding adults appear rather Long-legged... Great birds either way!

Mark
 

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are you guiding in china, mark? what a great job i guess (with many implications possibly..)

they look very short-legged now, esp. comparing to med gull. but bill is unique in relict - beautiful silhouette! thanks for sharing!

- hope you'll get some mongolian pics as well soon, in calmer conditions. many of those lwhg at the eastern pacific coast are still a bit enigmatic (from my point of view o:) )

B :)
 
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Hi Lou,

Not guiding at moment (usually here only in Spring) being selfish and enjoying and studying for myself ;)

Loads of interesting stuff at the moment, i'll get some images in the next few days and post them here - it's the weekend and the locals are out in force with Digital SLR's chasing everything to get ethereal flight shots! My how China's changed ;)

Relict certainly is an interesting profile isn't it! The pot belly, strange gait and short bill is very distinctive from a big distance.
The big fellas are building, just waiting for a calm day. Lots of very clean Mongolians around, should be interesting to see what you think of the other stuff!

Mark
 
one to discuss maybe. (edit: 3 not 1). is it caspian or not. both ylg and caspian where present (23.10.08 cristian mihai, comana fishponds). sorry, i cropped the pic a bit it was in the right corner of a wonderful piece of sky ;))
and 2 more ufos (look at that nice pattern in pic 3) and a couple of nice cachinnansez.
1 must be a cachi with a strong bill.
2 and 3 3-4cy caspian or ylg?
 

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ouff, i'd almost make it a michahellis. not only almost. it seemed advisable for the bird to stretch his snout into the strong wind. :gh:
 
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that's a nice answer, jan!
but still i'd like to know what you think about birds 1-3 from comana? are 2 and 3 cachinnans (4cy?) as well, with such large mirrors?
 
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