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Old Monday 11th December 2017, 16:48   #1
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Hawk help

I need some help to confirm what I think is a broad-winged hawk. Thanks!

Date: Dec 11, 2017
Location: NW Florida - Gulf coast
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Old Monday 11th December 2017, 16:54   #2
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Broad-winged Hawk for me.
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Old Monday 11th December 2017, 20:46   #3
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Could you include a date?
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Old Monday 11th December 2017, 23:23   #5
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Perched juvenile Broad-wingeds and Red-shouldereds are difficult to separate. In the panhandle, Broad-wingeds are very rare in December (e-bird showed only 1 record in the past 10 years), while Red-shouldereds are common. I think the bird is probably a Red-shouldered based mostly on the fact that pale markings seem to be present on the secondaries, while on a Broad-winged the secondaries should be uniformly dark. On Florida birds these pale markings can be less contrasty than on others. I have taken the liberty of photoshopping the bird to bring them out better.
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Old Monday 11th December 2017, 23:44   #6
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Not sure it would help but here are two more photos of today's bird. I'll also upload photos of a similar bird taken a year ago in a separate post.
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Old Monday 11th December 2017, 23:47   #7
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This bird, photographed last December a few miles away, was identified as a Broad-winged.
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Old Tuesday 12th December 2017, 00:03   #8
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Tail pattern showing narrow stripes on the bird in post #6 is that of a Red-shouldered Hawk, pale gray stripes indicate a juvenile bird; mature RSHs have white stripes. Broad-winged Hawks have much wider tail bands.

Tail pattern and small pale gray barring on the secondaries on the 1st bird in post #7 and the chest pattern of the 2nd bird shown in post #7 are that of a juvenile Red-shouldered Hawk.

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Old Tuesday 12th December 2017, 00:06   #9
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I also agree about the bird in post #7 as Red-shouldered.
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Old Tuesday 12th December 2017, 01:02   #10
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Broad-winged Hawk for me.
This is why a second and third opinion are always a good idea!

I was too hasty in my decision and didn't take a close enough look, especially at the tail.

Thanks for setting me straight, guys.
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Old Tuesday 12th December 2017, 09:02   #11
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Agree on all photos so far being Red-shouldered
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I think we've reached consensus

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