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"Mystery grey shrike on the isle of Man" (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter CJW
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StevieEvans
Well-known member
Net it..?
Fascinating & passionate debate!
The handbags at 5 paces stuff is to my mind, fine as long as it doesn't turn, solely to personal abuse.
Everyones going to a have different interpretation of what they've seen or read.
Personally i'd be happy to say i'd seen a " great Shrike ", reguardless of which country it happened to Lose its way from.
From my primitive viewpoint,
If its so important to ID the bird, & if after a length of time (like now) a 100% ID cannot be made......... its Surely just a simple case of trapping the bird in a ringers mist net......
This will 'sort it' without dispute, & save people having to await the later decision of a commitee.
Or, is this considered 'not fair play..?'
Stevie E.
Fascinating & passionate debate!
The handbags at 5 paces stuff is to my mind, fine as long as it doesn't turn, solely to personal abuse.
Everyones going to a have different interpretation of what they've seen or read.
Personally i'd be happy to say i'd seen a " great Shrike ", reguardless of which country it happened to Lose its way from.
From my primitive viewpoint,
If its so important to ID the bird, & if after a length of time (like now) a 100% ID cannot be made......... its Surely just a simple case of trapping the bird in a ringers mist net......
This will 'sort it' without dispute, & save people having to await the later decision of a commitee.
Or, is this considered 'not fair play..?'
Stevie E.
CJW
Hit-and-run WUM
Stevie,
my understanding is that the ringers would have to apply to the BOU for a permit to trap a specific bird and show the need to do so (which, I believe, wouldn't actually be a problem given the gains to be had in confirming it's i.d. and the help with future grey shrikes). However, because of the type of habitat that the bird is in, mist-netting wouldn't be an option and this leaves just 'spring traps' as the method to be used. I believe the 'spring-traps' currently available on the island are too small and likely to cause damage to the bird. So that is the reason (or so I am led to believe) why the trapping of the bird has not been pursued to date.
my understanding is that the ringers would have to apply to the BOU for a permit to trap a specific bird and show the need to do so (which, I believe, wouldn't actually be a problem given the gains to be had in confirming it's i.d. and the help with future grey shrikes). However, because of the type of habitat that the bird is in, mist-netting wouldn't be an option and this leaves just 'spring traps' as the method to be used. I believe the 'spring-traps' currently available on the island are too small and likely to cause damage to the bird. So that is the reason (or so I am led to believe) why the trapping of the bird has not been pursued to date.
Darrell Clegg
Well-known member
I see Bird News Extra are calling it a Southern Grey Shrike (meridionalis) tonight. I know that pallidirostris is one of the eastern races of the meridionalis group, but has there been second thoughts on the ID or have the people who run the website made a mistake?
Darrell
Darrell
Michael Frankis
conehead
Hi Darrell,
They're only giving it as the species as a whole, not specifically the nominate race meridionalis. Presumably in view of the doubt as to exactly which race it is.
Michael
They're only giving it as the species as a whole, not specifically the nominate race meridionalis. Presumably in view of the doubt as to exactly which race it is.
Michael
Darrell Clegg
Well-known member
I was just wondering - as they've been happy to call it Steppe Grey until now
Darrell
Darrell
Michael Frankis
conehead
Ah but Steppe Grey doesn't have a link to one of their pay-per-view video library clips, Southern Grey does - so they get more income if they call it Southern Grey 
Michael
Michael
CJW
Hit-and-run WUM
Very cynical Michael. They're reporting it as Southern Grey Shrike because that's how I reported it to them. I think it's a safer bet to report the species rather than claim it to be Steppe Grey Shrike (Lanius meridionalis pallidirostris) when there is still doubt over it's racial identity (even though my preference is for palldirostris).
Darrell Clegg
Well-known member
Question answered - thanks CJ
Michael - people making money out of birders - whatever next!!!!
Darrell
Michael - people making money out of birders - whatever next!!!!
Darrell
Michael Frankis
conehead
Hi CJ,
I did once try clicking on one of the bird names to see what I got, and got a message to say that I hadn't subscribed to be able to view the videos.
Michael
I did once try clicking on one of the bird names to see what I got, and got a message to say that I hadn't subscribed to be able to view the videos.
Michael
digi-birder
Well-known member
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