But structure is hard to assess from one picture sometimes. I don't really see this bird as looking particularly robust or short-tailed for a falcon either. And I think I'm looking objectively, as far as such a thing is ever possible.
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James Lowther
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Well if you guarantee it Tim, what can i say?
Seriously, i can see there are branches in front of the shoulders that cause a lightness, but there's an underlying red tone on my PC at least, that i don't think is caused by the branches, and the pattern and visible tone on the head looks very kestrel-ish to me. As for the notion that structure, or in this case apparent structure from one shot of a partially obscured bird, cannot possibly be playing tricks on us - i agree with Andrew.
James
Seriously, i can see there are branches in front of the shoulders that cause a lightness, but there's an underlying red tone on my PC at least, that i don't think is caused by the branches, and the pattern and visible tone on the head looks very kestrel-ish to me. As for the notion that structure, or in this case apparent structure from one shot of a partially obscured bird, cannot possibly be playing tricks on us - i agree with Andrew.
James
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Amsel
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The truth lies in detail
Sometimes not the number of identification votes matters but the quality they are made with! Nevertheless here are more than 9 birders on the island with the same opinion as mine - Peregrine!
Please check every detail described (I think there was hardly any from the Kestrel-fraction!), Dieter!
And the ones who voted for Kestrel: Please ask your local or national rarities committee to identify the bird! If you do not belive me I am sure this will open your eyes ;o)!
As I have noticed more skilled identifiers seem to join the discussion now!
Nothing more to say...
Tom :king:
James Lowther said:
Sometimes not the number of identification votes matters but the quality they are made with! Nevertheless here are more than 9 birders on the island with the same opinion as mine - Peregrine!
Please check every detail described (I think there was hardly any from the Kestrel-fraction!), Dieter!
And the ones who voted for Kestrel: Please ask your local or national rarities committee to identify the bird! If you do not belive me I am sure this will open your eyes ;o)!
As I have noticed more skilled identifiers seem to join the discussion now!
Nothing more to say...
Tom :king:
Amsel said:
Wonder if I'm included in that? Probably not. Oh well, glad you and your mates are here to put us right Tom.
*Whitehouse hangs head in shame*
Andrew Rowlands
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It's been a Kestrel for me since I first saw the attachment yesterday morning.
Still is a Kestrel.
Andy.
Still is a Kestrel.
Andy.
Edward woodwood
Member
Andrew Whitehouse said:
cheer up fifey!!!
I trust you 99.9% of the time - this is the other 0.1%
put some Shonen Knife on and jumparound. I got the Boredoms Vision...today - thx
Tim
James Lowther
Well-known member
trying to make yourself popular are you Tom??
Good stuff
Good stuff
Tim Allwood said:cheer up fifey!!!
I trust you 99.9% of the time - this is the other 0.1%
put some Shonen Knife on and jumparound. I got the Boredoms Vision...today - thx
Tim
Don't worry Tim - it's all tongue in cheek. I'm sure Tom's posts are too (surely?).
Haven't got any Shonen Knife to hand. Riding on the Rocket's my favourite.
Edward woodwood
Member
Hey folks
just off to the pub for a few
bumping this up to see what others make of it...
Jane?, H? Greg? You there?
or anyone else for that matter...
go on... you know you want to..
Tim
just off to the pub for a few
bumping this up to see what others make of it...
Jane?, H? Greg? You there?
or anyone else for that matter...
go on... you know you want to..
Tim
James Lowther
Well-known member
This'll be fun
JANJ
Well-known member
A prestigious discussion, or more like a debate.
I must say, from this photo it is impossible to be sure, and blowing it up doesn´t help. It´s a falcon alrigt, and Kestrel do comes to mind, but a "large falcon" could certainly be a possibility. If KMO, as mentioned here, had a better view of the image, and from there has another falcon in mind than Kestrel, then I´ll trust his judgement.
JanJ
I must say, from this photo it is impossible to be sure, and blowing it up doesn´t help. It´s a falcon alrigt, and Kestrel do comes to mind, but a "large falcon" could certainly be a possibility. If KMO, as mentioned here, had a better view of the image, and from there has another falcon in mind than Kestrel, then I´ll trust his judgement.
JanJ
Steven Astley
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Looking at the original picture head looks like peregrine to me. A kestrel does not show a strong moustachial stripe and white cheek at this distance. Problem is branches obscure, to be sure, but body looks bulky aswell.
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Don't give a hoots what Klaus Malling Olsen says (whoever he is), but I reckon that's an unidentified brown blob with a Peregrine behind it. As for age, don't see any reason for this being a first year bird (presuming the brown blob is a brown blob and not part of the bird!). So I'd venture for adult Peregrine.
M Cowming
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Kestrel for me. Unless more is known about it than being let on! In the original post "I suppose Sparrowhawk"...a few posts later 1st Winter Peregrine. That's a wide range of views from a less than adequate photo. It is a falcon...no one disputes that.
I'm in the Kestrel camp until someone can convince me it is a Peregrine...let alone a 1st winter! Funny how it's managed to land behind the only large withering leaf left on the tree???
Regards,
I'm in the Kestrel camp until someone can convince me it is a Peregrine...let alone a 1st winter! Funny how it's managed to land behind the only large withering leaf left on the tree???
Regards,
London Birder
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who says looking through the wrong end of your binoculars doesn't pay dividends ... 100% Kestrel
ahh, bigger pic..still Kestrel
ahh, bigger pic..still Kestrel
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