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Jane Turner · Thursday 20th November 2003, 17:34

All WP

Now its time for someone else to get out their pics! So much easier with the rapid uploads!

Bluetail · Thursday 20th November 2003, 17:50

Ah, pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey time again! As usual, not at all confident about any of these, but:

1. Buzzard
2. Willow Warbler
3. House Martin
4. Hmm.... Bit worried about those underparts, but I don't think it's a Southern Grey, so I'll go for Great Grey Shrike.

Michael Frankis · Thursday 20th November 2003, 19:13

Can't disagree with the above for 1, 2, 3, but would say Southern Grey Shrike for #4

Jane Turner · Thursday 20th November 2003, 21:26

Of course I can't comment, it would give way too much away. There needs to be two more differing answers before there is enough doubt and randomness!

If Jason has more than Michael or v.v then you have the id of 4 confirmed. If they have the same then you can rule out both Shrikes and know exactly how many of the rest are right or wrong.

Tim Allwood · Thursday 20th November 2003, 21:36

aint that a Lesser Grey?

Geoff Pain · Thursday 20th November 2003, 21:44

Yes I 'll go for Lesser Grey for number 4.

Michael Frankis · Thursday 20th November 2003, 22:10

I reckoned (a) the bill is too long for LGS, and (b) the forehead too pale, too far forward.

Good thing we were told 'all WP' - otherwise I might have gone for Loggerhead Shrike . . . but it is a very good match for the meridionalis in the Collins Bird Guide

Michael

Bluetail · Thursday 20th November 2003, 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Frankis

I reckoned (a) the bill is too long for LGS, and (b) the forehead too pale, too far forward.

Agreed. And I don't think the primary:tail ratio is right for LGS either.

Now I've thumbed me books I'm reminded that SGS has a much narrower white super than GGS, so I guess you're right on that one.

Jason

Harry Hussey · Thursday 20th November 2003, 22:41

1)Common Buzzard
2)Willow Warbler
3)House Martin
4)Southern Grey Shrike of race meridionalis
Michael,great minds think alike....

Harry H

Tim Allwood · Thursday 20th November 2003, 23:06

I've always been in the remedial class chaps!

Makes you pair look smart though so be grateful!

agree prims, bill and tail don't look like LGS but I thought Jane was dropping a subtle hint it wasn't GGS or SGS so went for the only other option of female LGS with the reduced black forecrown......From pic I though bit pale above for meridionalis and can't see any white over super?

better get my shrikes book out and do some extra reading......

Darrell Clegg · Friday 21st November 2003, 00:00

May be a silly question but can someone tell me why that isn't a Red-backed Shrike???

Darrell

Michael Frankis · Friday 21st November 2003, 00:13

Good point Darrell, I'm struggling to think - I suppose it 'looks too big', but that can be very confusing. Will try a bit of photoshopping on it . . .

Michael

Michael Frankis · Friday 21st November 2003, 00:17

Yeah, there's a definite grey head / brown mantle contrast visible when it is lightened up - Red-backed it is

Well spotted Darrell!

Michael

Bluetail · Friday 21st November 2003, 00:17

Doesn't Red-backed have a shorter, more bulging bill (more rounded lower mandible)?

Jason

Tim Allwood · Friday 21st November 2003, 01:03

good work gents!

these pix are a nightmare!!!...but we love em

Jane Turner · Friday 21st November 2003, 08:49

One species hasn't been named yet.

Jane Turner · Friday 21st November 2003, 09:59

Not actually showing any more than the previous pic... but you will all get it this time

Bluetail · Friday 21st November 2003, 10:06

Eenie meenie miney mo....

1. Buzzard
2. Chiffchaff
3. House Martin
4. Southern Grey Shrike (still don't think the bill's right for Red-backed)

Joern Lehmhus · Friday 21st November 2003, 10:48

Why isnt that

Buzzard
Chifchaff
Redrumped swallow
redbacked shrike

Thats what I was thinking uploading the pics

Jane Turner · Friday 21st November 2003, 10:50

It is... well done

Jane Turner · Friday 21st November 2003, 10:51

Ah but the Phylloscous is wrong Joern

Joern Lehmhus · Friday 21st November 2003, 10:55

Then I try willow warbler for the Phylloscopus

Grousemore · Friday 21st November 2003, 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jane Turner

It is... well done

The pale legs/feet had me fooled.

Jane Turner · Friday 21st November 2003, 11:06

No, that was my mistake, its the first WW in the garden this year. Taken without magnification hand held through the kitchen window....straight into the sun!

The Shrike is a Red-Back, taken in failing light on Lesvos.

Grousemore · Friday 21st November 2003, 11:28

I meant the pale legs of the Swallow,Jane.

Thursday 20th November 2003, 17:34	#1
Jane Turner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hoylake, Merseyside Posts: 12,930 My location	Mastermind 14 - the leftovers All WP Now its time for someone else to get out their pics! So much easier with the rapid uploads! Attached Thumbnails
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Thursday 20th November 2003, 17:50	#2
Bluetail Senior Moment Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Plymouth, Devon Posts: 6,409	Ah, pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey time again! As usual, not at all confident about any of these, but: 1. Buzzard 2. Willow Warbler 3. House Martin 4. Hmm.... Bit worried about those underparts, but I don't think it's a Southern Grey, so I'll go for Great Grey Shrike.
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Thursday 20th November 2003, 21:44	#6
Geoff Pain Rural Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Stackhouse,North Yorkshire Posts: 1,660 My location	Yes I 'll go for Lesser Grey for number 4. __________________ Geoff In order to see birds it is necessary to become part of the silence. Robert Lynd

Friday 21st November 2003, 00:17	#14
Bluetail Senior Moment Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Plymouth, Devon Posts: 6,409	Doesn't Red-backed have a shorter, more bulging bill (more rounded lower mandible)? Jason
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Friday 21st November 2003, 08:49	#16
Jane Turner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hoylake, Merseyside Posts: 12,930 My location	One species hasn't been named yet.
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Thursday 20th November 2003, 19:13	#3
Michael Frankis conehead Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Newcastle, Northumberland, European Union Posts: 6,796	Can't disagree with the above for 1, 2, 3, but would say Southern Grey Shrike for #4

Thursday 20th November 2003, 21:26	#4
Jane Turner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hoylake, Merseyside Posts: 12,930 My location	Of course I can't comment, it would give way too much away. There needs to be two more differing answers before there is enough doubt and randomness! If Jason has more than Michael or v.v then you have the id of 4 confirmed. If they have the same then you can rule out both Shrikes and know exactly how many of the rest are right or wrong.
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Thursday 20th November 2003, 21:36	#5
Tim Allwood this machine kills fascists Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sea aPalling, Norfolk Posts: 11,309	aint that a Lesser Grey?

Thursday 20th November 2003, 22:10	#7
Michael Frankis conehead Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Newcastle, Northumberland, European Union Posts: 6,796	I reckoned (a) the bill is too long for LGS, and (b) the forehead too pale, too far forward. Good thing we were told 'all WP' - otherwise I might have gone for Loggerhead Shrike . . . but it is a very good match for the meridionalis in the Collins Bird Guide Michael

Thursday 20th November 2003, 22:41	#9
Harry Hussey Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cork,Ireland Posts: 3,507	1)Common Buzzard 2)Willow Warbler 3)House Martin 4)Southern Grey Shrike of race meridionalis Michael,great minds think alike.... Harry H

Thursday 20th November 2003, 23:06	#10
Tim Allwood this machine kills fascists Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sea aPalling, Norfolk Posts: 11,309	I've always been in the remedial class chaps! Makes you pair look smart though so be grateful! agree prims, bill and tail don't look like LGS but I thought Jane was dropping a subtle hint it wasn't GGS or SGS so went for the only other option of female LGS with the reduced black forecrown......From pic I though bit pale above for meridionalis and can't see any white over super? better get my shrikes book out and do some extra reading......

Friday 21st November 2003, 00:00	#11
Darrell Clegg Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,312	May be a silly question but can someone tell me why that isn't a Red-backed Shrike??? Darrell

Friday 21st November 2003, 00:13	#12
Michael Frankis conehead Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Newcastle, Northumberland, European Union Posts: 6,796	Good point Darrell, I'm struggling to think - I suppose it 'looks too big', but that can be very confusing. Will try a bit of photoshopping on it . . . Michael

Friday 21st November 2003, 01:03	#15
Tim Allwood this machine kills fascists Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sea aPalling, Norfolk Posts: 11,309	good work gents! these pix are a nightmare!!!...but we love em

Friday 21st November 2003, 09:59	#17
Jane Turner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hoylake, Merseyside Posts: 12,930 My location	Not actually showing any more than the previous pic... but you will all get it this time Attached Thumbnails
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Friday 21st November 2003, 10:06	#18
Bluetail Senior Moment Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Plymouth, Devon Posts: 6,409	Eenie meenie miney mo.... 1. Buzzard 2. Chiffchaff 3. House Martin 4. Southern Grey Shrike (still don't think the bill's right for Red-backed)
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Friday 21st November 2003, 10:48	#19
Joern Lehmhus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 3,347	Why isnt that Buzzard Chifchaff Redrumped swallow redbacked shrike Thats what I was thinking uploading the pics

Friday 21st November 2003, 10:50	#20
Jane Turner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hoylake, Merseyside Posts: 12,930 My location	It is... well done Attached Thumbnails
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Friday 21st November 2003, 10:51	#21
Jane Turner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hoylake, Merseyside Posts: 12,930 My location	Ah but the Phylloscous is wrong Joern
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Friday 21st November 2003, 10:55	#22
Joern Lehmhus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 3,347	Then I try willow warbler for the Phylloscopus

Friday 21st November 2003, 11:06	#24
Jane Turner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hoylake, Merseyside Posts: 12,930 My location	No, that was my mistake, its the first WW in the garden this year. Taken without magnification hand held through the kitchen window....straight into the sun! The Shrike is a Red-Back, taken in failing light on Lesvos. Last edited by Jane Turner : Friday 21st November 2003 at 11:17.
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Friday 21st November 2003, 11:28	#25
Grousemore Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 3,536	I meant the pale legs of the Swallow,Jane. __________________
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