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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 13:48   #1
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Question Mystery Raptor

Anyone know what this is?
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 13:49   #2
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It looks like a Buteo. I'll assume Common Buzzard
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 13:53   #3
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Anyone know what this is?
urrr .. at a guess Accipter nisus or Accipter gentilis? some kind of Accipter sp.
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 13:55   #4
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Look most like a buzzard to me
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 14:02   #5
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I think it's a Buteo - Common Buzzard?
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 14:13   #6
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Hi Grousemore,

I hope you dont mind but I lightened your original file in Photoshop.

Your bird looks like it has a band across the chest, I'd probably plump for common buzzard but the head shape looks a bit like spar.

How big was it and where?

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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 14:14   #7
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Common Buzzard for me too - that's assuming the pic was taken somewhere in NW Europe! (go on, now tell us all it was taken in Peru, or something . . .)

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Surely that Birch its in.. it does look a wee bit small... but I'll stick with Buteo buteo, presumed male
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 14:47   #9
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I can't decide if the tail protrudes below the branch that it is standing on. If it does, this is a long tail and I don't think that would be quite right for a buteo.
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 14:51   #10
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I can't decide if the tail protrudes below the branch that it is standing on. If it does, this is a long tail and I don't think that would be quite right for a buteo.
I'd go along with that but the legs look a bit hefty for spar, unless it's just a photo effect?

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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 15:02   #11
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I can't decide if the tail protrudes below the branch that it is standing on. If it does, this is a long tail and I don't think that would be quite right for a buteo.
The bit below the branch is another branch behind - it is out of alignment with the bird's tail
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Sorry for not explaining;I'm in USA at the moment and I took the pic. yesterday in Central Florida.
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Ah ha...well its still a Buteo, I'd guess at Red-tailed Hawk. They looked bang on Common buzz jizz-wise to me. Off to check out plumages!
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 15:19   #14
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Ouch.

Immature red shouldered hawk?

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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 15:24   #15
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Hi Grousemore,
Was ready to ID the bird as Common Buzzard,but given that the photo was taken in the US,then it's most likely a Red-tailed Hawk.
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 15:40   #16
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Maybe a young Swainson's Hawk?
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The photo is kinda dark but I looks like a red-shouldered hawk or broad-winged hawk, it's definitely a buteo.
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Here's another picture of the same bird.
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 16:54   #19
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in answer to the original question, NO!

not very helpful I know, but honest
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Best guess is a juvenile Red-shouldered Hawk of the Florida subspecies.

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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 18:26   #21
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I'm glad it's the USA - I was having difficulty agreeing to Common Buzzard. Had to resort to my Sibley for this one, but, out of the birds he pictures, juvenile Red-shouldered Hawk does seem the best match.

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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 19:16   #22
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Here's a slightly better pic;I'm getting worried that I mis-ID'd it.
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 21:42   #23
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Hope you don't mind, but I've taken the liberty of lightening the pic and intensifying the colours and the highlight/midtone/shadow balance. Looks a bit like Cooper's Hawk now, but I'll have to leave it to those who know their USA raptors well.

Edit: Nope, I still think it's a buteo and juv Red-tailed Hawk is as near as I can get - but I really don't know my USA raptors well.
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2003, 21:50   #24
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Still looks like Red-shouldered to me.

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Not get any flight pics have you...Buteos are so much easier in the air! the tail looks more like juv red-shouldered to me... now it has some detail....and that is assuming that there is a broad sub-terminal band...not just a heavy shadow
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