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Old Saturday 12th July 2008, 16:06   #26
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Old Saturday 12th July 2008, 17:06   #27
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And the last one for this afternoon, Now I must away to my household tasks......

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Old Saturday 12th July 2008, 17:10   #28
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Old Saturday 12th July 2008, 17:31   #29
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It only works when the're on the screen, not moving about.... need to throw the lines in quicker when out in the field, add the detail in after methinks.
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Old Saturday 12th July 2008, 18:13   #30
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It only works when the're on the screen, not moving about.... need to throw the lines in quicker when out in the field, add the detail in after methinks.
. . . and on that very note . . .
Andrew, I mentioned earlier in this thread about looking for the natural contour lines that avocets have. I've taken the liberty of making a couple of drawings which, I hope, will go a small way towards illustrating this idea. Also, there's something relating back to Nick's suggestion about neck position and skelebobs. I hope this isn't out of place.
The first is a short progression, minimal lines and then, at last, if there's time - a bit of tone to round the drawing.
The second and third are looking at contours and the last suggests where the legs originate from - when looking at your birds tomorrow, see if you can imagine the hip position (as shown) and imagine the legs eminating from there.
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Old Saturday 12th July 2008, 18:40   #31
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Thanks Tim, Always open to advice, Will think about body shape tomorrow, even if I produce lines as you have in page one..
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We don't have Avocets in Finland... Not fair... These are great, the landing ones on previous page are my faves!

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Old Sunday 20th July 2008, 12:33   #33
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This weekend was a bit fraught, Having been put in the position of having to buy a New Camera, (the 'ole faithful' died last weekend), and I had intended to get some practice from my photos on the screen - didnt get done...
So here is a little somthing from today, Using a Graphite stick, Have gone back to trying to get the basic shapes down onto paper as quickly as possible..And I know its gone small again, but im sure when I get to know whats happening, Ill start to use the estate again....Little detail but quick and purposeful lines this time..

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Old Sunday 20th July 2008, 12:37   #34
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Small and with little detail they may be, but they say so much, there are groupings of species, shadows showing the form - and the godwit labelled as such has got all the angles spot on. Great!
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Old Sunday 20th July 2008, 16:15   #35
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Tried to get somthing sketched from the screen this afternoon, Selected the picture - A Juvenile Avocet, Using a Graphite stick and Watercolour pencils decided to add a touch of colour as it still wore its brown, then I think it all went abit astray when I added the Blue water, turning it into a strange watercolour...........
So the lesson today is - stick with the original plan and dont do somthing that you havnt tried before, untill you know that you are confident with the results....

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Old Sunday 20th July 2008, 16:47   #36
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And another one with the Graphite Stick......

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I still need to learn to do some landscapes before my next Holls.....
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So the lesson today is - stick with the original plan and dont do somthing that you havnt tried before, untill you know that you are confident with the results....
I'll disagree with this! I like the cool blues against the warm brown bird, and jumping in with both feet is the way to do it. And as some of the artists on this forum amply illustrate, dissatisfaction is a great motivator to make another attempt at a piece.
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Old Monday 21st July 2008, 16:57   #38
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Good work Andrew, Like the added colour.
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Old Sunday 27th July 2008, 11:21   #39
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Appologies for the lack of 'Wildlife' this weekend, Im desperate to make a start on Landscapes, The avos have all but gone, and its very quiet on the scrapes.........If anything, its a little out of proportion, but its a hugh leap from my first attempt, which was composted soon after
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Old Sunday 27th July 2008, 20:28   #40
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lovely landscape - ah what I wouldn't give to be able to do some sketching from a hide!
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Old Sunday 3rd August 2008, 16:35   #41
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Lack of anything this weekend, even the idea of landscape was put off due to the low cloud and mizzling rain....
So a little work from the dinning room table, (if it works for Nick) provided a little time to get to grips with some 'deceased wildlife' in the form of some shells i had laying around in the kitchen window ledge (why ? who knows...)
The first turned into a bit of a study rather than a sketch, the second was a fast time sketch with less detail...
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Im still desperate to get some landscaping done, A good friend of mine from Cornwall has suggested the permanent ink and colour wash, somthing Ive not tried as yet, is it easier to do.? He suggested light pencil first, then ink in the good lines, rubbing out the rest then a single or a two colour wash to add in the shadow...
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Old Sunday 17th August 2008, 11:16   #42
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Another scribble from the computer screen.
Everyones away on holiday, so i thought id sit down infront of the screen and have a go, try to get a grip of the colours thing, I lost the plot aroud the wing feathers, and again i think it went wrong in doing the background, even Jomo said in an eallier post here, that you have to be brave and jump in to find yer limits......mmmm methinks i might have been better sticking to the bird itself, even if it 'floats' on the page.

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Ive realised afterwards that sketching and / or painting from a photo, can be a problem in that the camera has already decided what is in or out of focus, but your eyes (when working in the field) decides that everthing is in focus.......
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Old Tuesday 26th August 2008, 23:51   #43
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you've found the problem of copying photos! Love the colours in this, and there is a lot of liveliness in the way you've coloured. Better than copying a photo (IMHO), if you want to use them as a start, is to have a good long look at the photo, then put it away, then draw.
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Good to see you approaching life-drawing Andrew - working from the shells is a great discipline (very difficult things to get right) and you've made an excellent stab at them. The next step is - do them again. The more you practice from life, the lore confident you'll become. Looking back I really like the graphite stick avocet. The way you handled the shading is very good indeed and shows how well you've gotten to know these cracking little birds.
Also good to see your appraisal of your own work with the greenfinch and your assessment of the pitfalls of photography. Keep at it, it's definitely coming.
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Old Sunday 31st August 2008, 17:15   #45
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Another foggy and grey day, Mike and I sat most of the time in the car, till we decided to run (?) for the hide.....the sun did apear, and on the way back, this line of honking geese appeared.....
C##p photos but thought id have a go from the warmth of my study - so a few Fast lines in pencil, Watercolour Pencil for a slight colour, and a fine Ink stick to make the outline.... Im very impressed with this one....might need to develop this a bit more....

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Yes Andrew, you should be pleased with this. Smashing,lively drawing, caught the jizz perfectly and your minimal use of washed colour adds the right amount of interest. Splendid.
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In the same style as the last, A grebe....I left out the reflection incase it got tooo complicated for me..
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Im beginning to enjoy this, even if Im copying from my stock photos....
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glad you're enjoying it - it shows, you're lines are becoming more confident! keep it up!
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A day off waiting for furniture to be delivered.....so I thought id revisit my photo collection of Avo's, but i think this first one got a bit rushed and left too much detail out....
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This idea that Tim has posted about sketching from moving things and being able to capture the detail without looking at it for too long still escapes me, Ive tried from a few photos on screen, but the're too bad to post..Still its all part of the curve.
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This idea that Tim has posted about sketching from moving things and being able to capture the detail without looking at it for too long still escapes me, Ive tried from a few photos on screen, but the're too bad to post..Still its all part of the curve.
Andrew, if you're refering to the 'Drawing Excercises' thread I've just put up. firstly well done for having a go and, secondly, more importantly - this exercise is a perpetual one. It's like playing the guitar (or not, in my case ) the more time and effort you put in, the better the results will be. Give it another shot and you'll amaze yourself. And, in a very short time, you'll be able to recall the 'set' to your memory at will. Honestly! Then it's just a case of replacing the 'fixed set' with moving images (then the real fun starts).
I'll X-post this to the other thread, too.
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