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Old Thursday 22nd January 2004, 12:07   #26
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OK..this is 25 years old... it wasn't submitted at the time. The county recorder said it wasn't possible to ID females and anyway it was an escape.

Almost tempted to submit it, though this is all I have, plus a desciption of the call.

Can you tell what it is from the pic alone...?
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Old Thursday 22nd January 2004, 12:21   #27
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The excellent drawing skills shown above shouldn't put people off sketching. You're not trying to impress the recorder with your artwork (but I guess it helps). My sketches are just the big circle, little circle approach with most of the work done with words and arrows.
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Old Thursday 22nd January 2004, 12:29   #28
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Hi Jane,
Devilishly hard from the pic: can only narrow it down to female Black-headed or Red-headed Bunting(shame on me!)
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Old Thursday 22nd January 2004, 12:31   #29
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Here´s one of mine from last spring in Spain;
Sorry, notes are in German...
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I can't read all of your notes around the pic, Jane. I got the yellow vent area, rufous mantle area and white as in wing bars I assume and the notes on the eye. I would go for female Black-headed Bunting but then you have to remember what is in my signature..........
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Old Thursday 22nd January 2004, 12:50   #31
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Field note

Here it is-at leat I hope so.

The numbers on the text were just because I had to send a translation to the Spanish people who were interested in this...
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Your writing is rubbish can't understand a single word - , but your drawing is very very very good. I would think that a records committee would be able to accept that on the artwork alone. I am envious.
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Old Thursday 22nd January 2004, 13:28   #33
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Resembles a bird? I think it resembles a 'lesser goldie' - nice one Jane.
Exactly. I don't think Jane has quite grasped the possible scale of ineptitude here. Here, against my better judgement, is a typical field sketch. Guess the species - or the order!
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Old Thursday 22nd January 2004, 13:30   #34
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so obviously a Dartie...mine was a BH Bunting...
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Old Thursday 22nd January 2004, 13:49   #36
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Here is the text from the bunting..
B-h bunting still about, showng well in spartina, -large head, generally dull bird. Underparts dirty cream, throat slightly paler, utc quite bright yellow. Upperparts mostly dirty grey brown but mantle feathers with quite rufous tips. Wings with whitish fringes - thin on most feathers but big enough to give two wing bars. Stongest marking black median coverst - like tawny pipit. Head/nape almost without streaking, just a bit on crown. Bill ????-grey colour, legs pinky brown...tail without plae outers. PLain face and beady eye.
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Old Thursday 22nd January 2004, 13:50   #37
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Here it is-at leat I hope so.

The numbers on the text were just because I had to send a translation to the Spanish people who were interested in this...
Its fabulous..thanks
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Hi,
thanks , Jane ,Colin , I did my best. I also like those you made, Jane -also the older ones. You wouldn´t like to see my first-well everyone has to start

I just found I still had the translation of the text, here it is. I could observe the bird for about 25 minutes before it finally flew off, but due to its movements in the grass it was about half of this time not very well visible. I don´t know if the description is of interest, but here it comes...

1.Warbler: Cullera Marshes, observed from 5 – 20 m distance
Size as Willow Warbler / Chiffchaff

2. Colour of bill: Do not remember exactly; dark?

3. light loam-yellowish coloured, sharp-bordered middle stripe on head, same colour as stripe above eyes, but narrower; a little bit of dark directly in front of eye, but no stripe from eye to base of bill

4. short thin stripes on feathers at the sides of breast, but inconspicuous; sides of breast/belly light brownish, lighter to the middle

5.Two clear conspicuous light stripes on back* (*similar colour as stripe above eye), between these stripes dark, getting lighter in direction to the tail, the lighter brown area above the tail has short dark stripes; those are clearest shortly above tail;
this bird is with much more contrasts in colours than Acrocephalus schoenobaenus or Acrocephalus melanopogon.

6. light stripes on back also conspicuous when bird flies; strange tail – pointed feathers?! look a bit like a treecreepers (Certhia) tail; no white in tail as would be with Cisticola juncidis

7. Legs seem to be light “brownish” / “meat coloured”

8. pointed tail

9. jumps and climbs alongside the grass stems, does not go onto ground, if goes into rice field, he sits sideways of the 15-20cm long stubbles; in the up to 70 cm maximum hight grass bushels at the roadside he often hangs with each leg on a different t grass stalk, sometimes short flights of several meters

--aquatic warbler Acrocephalus paludicola
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Oh dear all those lovely field notes have been lost. David.. everyone else I insist you put them all back... :)

Here are some pages from my log for now
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Old Wednesday 16th February 2005, 08:54   #40
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Last May's Honey Buzzard - in biro on the back of an envelope!!!!

My best medium!
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Old Thursday 17th February 2005, 00:01   #41
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Okay well after seeing all of your wonderful sketches, I got really inspired and did some sketches of this Sharp-Tailed Grouse, through my scope. I did some really rough gesture sketches from the live bird, and filled in some detail when I got back to my hotel. Not the greatest but then Im still learning and pretty new at drawing live birds. Normally I draw from photos.

My notes need a lot of work lol! This was less for identification and more for studying the birds form. I kinda hoped the sketch would speak for itself, but I see I need to work on the notes though.
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Lovely sketches. Drawing from live birds is really hard. I almost invariably get the shape from a photo or memory then add the plumage I can see.
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Thanks Jane. That means a lot coming from you since your sketches are masterful.
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Actually they are trial and mostly error.. I'm not back with a pen once I have the shape right... getting the shape is all down to mood and luck!


The 1st WR sand was done live.. in the garden, the second was the tidier versio I sent, along with the original to the national rarities committee!
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Actually they are trial and mostly error.. I'm not back with a pen once I have the shape right... getting the shape is all down to mood and luck!


The 1st WR sand was done live.. in the garden, the second was the tidier versio I sent, along with the original to the national rarities committee!
Very impressive example of detailed bird ID'ing.
A far cry from... 'get a photo at all costs and don't worry about actually looking at the bird'
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Actually they are trial and mostly error.. I'm not back with a pen once I have the shape right... getting the shape is all down to mood and luck!


The 1st WR sand was done live.. in the garden, the second was the tidier versio I sent, along with the original to the national rarities committee!
Yeah I find shape hard to capture as well. One thing I do is I will get a pose down on paper with a rough gesture drawing, and then I go home and get out a guide or photo off the net, and refine the shape, add plumage characteristics I might have missed to make a finished drawing.

Im still learning to do this though but thanks to this forum, I was really inspired by your drawings and everyone elses.
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Oh dear all those lovely field notes have been lost. David.. everyone else I insist you put them all back... :)
What, these?
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Just bumping this up after the discussion about field notes etc

Here is a page that is more about the story than the birds. 15 years on it makes great reading
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