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Old Monday 22nd September 2008, 13:48   #1
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Digiscoping with the Nikon P6000

I was in one of my favorite camera stores on Sunday when they got there first delivery of Nikon P6000s . I couldn't resist , even though I only went in for a new tripod bag.
For those familiar with the P5000 and P5100 , this will feel familiar. I wasn't sure if the lens would be as "lens friendly" as the previous models but it was fine on the two eyepieces I tested it on (sw 30x,45x ). I couldn't get an adapter for it yet but will try this week.
Nothing particularly special about the camera but AF seems reasonable and overall the camera is no slower than the P5100.
I didn't have a good day for testing today (the hottest , most polluted day I've experienced 37c, 85% humidity ), even though I was in the hide at 6.30 am it was like a sauna.
Here are some of the first images but the birds we're from 25 - 80 metres away through heat haze so not a fair test but the camera has potential.
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Nikon P6000 plus Swarovski STS80HD scope and Sw 45x eyepiece and homemade adapter

Mai Po Nature Reserve,
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September 2008
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Old Monday 22nd September 2008, 17:43   #2
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Hi Neil
Thanks for the post I was thinking I was surprised you had not tested this camera out by now and quietly away I was hoping you would. The pics look good but my real hope was the AF speed which at present you portray as no real change from the P5100 so unless your view or indeed other testers change I will not be changing my camera for this......and I really was hoping for a NV3 lightning quick focus lock from this camera!

Thanks again for the post and I will look forward to more of your, and others, opinions.
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Thanks for the post I was thinking I was surprised you had not tested this camera out by now and quietly away I was hoping you would. The pics look good but my real hope was the AF speed which at present you portray as no real change from the P5100 so unless your view or indeed other testers change I will not be changing my camera for this......and I really was hoping for a NV3 lightning quick focus lock from this camera!

Thanks again for the post and I will look forward to more of your, and others, opinions.
Stephen,
My first impression is that it's not a big enough improvement over the P5100 to make the change, although it is a much better camera than the P5000. The AF capabilities have been discussed at length in other threads. Although not fast , I find it reliable, and with it's bright screen , faster to get onto the bird in the first place with AF lock on. I don't normally like to have the camera off the scope so I have to be able to focus close enough off the screen which you can do well with the P5100 and the P6000. It only let me down a couple of times yesterday , on a black drongo and the intermediate egret walking straight towards me, when I took a whole series that weren't in focus ( I took about 4 gigs yesterday ).
I didn't have any way of handling the Nikon RAW images yesterday so I didn't take any RAW, but I downloaded the Adobe DNG update last night which will handle them (free). The camera will only take one RAW image at a time and processing is about 5 seconds so I wouldn't buy the camera just for this feature. GPS is not something I'm interested in either.Neil.
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I set up my camera on my balance bar as I couldn't find an adapter for it yet. These two photos show the vignetting with the Swarovski 45x eyepiece (18mm,72 degress FOV ) at wide on the camera and at 8.1 mm (green Macro zone ) where it disappears.
These grey herons were about 200 metres away through the haze yesterday at iso 400.
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Let's cut to the chase eh? Do you think there is any significant improvement over the P5100? From what I'm reading the answer is no.

The only way I could see it happening is if it had a usable ISO 200 and 400 (my old 4500 performs better at ISO200 than my 5100). Since the Fuji's we've had no compacts that seem to have reasonably low noise, is that right? I'd imagine it's something even everyday consumers would like too see.

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Old Wednesday 24th September 2008, 18:15   #6
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The Grey Herons were taken at ISO 400, but of course a job to see noise in the uploaded pictures. Hopefully Neil can enlighten us.

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We're still affected by the aftermath of a typhoon here so I'm not able give it a fair test.
I will do so in the next few days.
I was pleased to see that Fuji are still working on their technology
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08...ujifilmEXR.asp
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Old Thursday 25th September 2008, 14:59   #8
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I was pleased to see that Fuji are still working on their technology
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08...ujifilmEXR.asp
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yup hope the next fujifilm camera which is much better than F31 would has custom camera setting function and faster recording to memory card hehehe
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We're still affected by the aftermath of a typhoon here so I'm not able give it a fair test.
I will do so in the next few days.
I was pleased to see that Fuji are still working on their technology
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08...ujifilmEXR.asp
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Take your time Neil, I'm not really bothered as the P5100 is all the camera I'll need for a good while.

Unless Fuji go and spoil the party that is.
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Old Saturday 27th September 2008, 16:31   #10
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I set up my camera on my balance bar as I couldn't find an adapter for it yet. Neil.
Will the P6000 require a different adaptor to the one used for the P5100? Ie, won't the UR-E20 not fit the P6000?
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Will the P6000 require a different adaptor to the one used for the P5100? Ie, won't the UR-E20 not fit the P6000?
Close, but no. It needs a UR-E21 apparently.
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Just to confirm the FSB-6 Digiscoping bracket won't fit the Nikon P6000 either, and no alternative as of yet for those who were thinking of upgrading!!!

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I took the P6000 out today with the Nikon D90 to test them both in the same situations. Light was hazy and dull and there were not many birds around but here are some of the images taken with the P6000 in jpeg and Raw.
I still haven't found an adapter but I've ordered the Nikon UR E-21 which will take about 10 days. The second and third images were converted from RAW using Adobe DNG .
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Nikon P6000 and Swarovski STS80HD scope and Sw 30x and 45x eyepiece and homemade adapter.

Lamma Island,
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how about the noise performance compared with nikon P5100 and fuji F31d neil ?
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how about the noise performance compared with nikon P5100 and fuji F31d neil ?
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I haven't done a test of noise between the two cameras but my impression is that it's similar.
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These three images were taken at different distances.
8 meters,15 metres and 22 meters.
The spot metering on the close photo was almost "spot on" according to CS2.
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I finally received the UR E-21 adapter for the P6000 . It has a 43 mm thread to match with the scope adapters ( in my case the Swaro DCA ) which is smaller than I would like so I'll continue to look for third party solutions. The lens hits the DCA at full zoom so I have to be careful, although I rarely use full zoom anyway as images tend to be a bit soft there.
I took it out to the local park today on the Swaro 30x eyepiece and my homemade balance bar. Here are some results which I very impressed with as you end up with a big file that will take a lot of cropping. Neil.

Nikon P6000 plus Swarovski STS80HD scope and Sw 30x eyepiece and DCA and homemade balance bar.

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Neil,
Fantastic shots of the Night-Herons.
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Nice images Neil thanks for posting them.
Are they from RAW files converted to jpg?

Having tried out the P6000 several times now, do you think that the 6000 is much better than the 5100?

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One of the advantages of the P6000 is the RAW capability and is the main reason I bought it. Here are two images of the same bird, one taken in Jpeg and one in RAW. Neil.
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This image was underexposed due to the backlighting as I didn't want to blow out the surroundings but as it was a RAW original I was able to get a reasonable result. Neil.
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Was out again today in good light with the P6000. The grey heron was taken at wide zoom from about 20 meters. The second image is a crop only and the third is adjusted.
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You're achieving some lovely pictures Neil. The depth of focus is very impressive on those last couple of shots. I assume that goes with the good light.
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Hi Guys,

The pictures look great!! I've been looking what to get my girlfriend for christmas because she loves to go out for long days in the country and into woodland just so that she can take lots of pictures (seriously our house is full of them haha)

I know its still a bit expensive but i do believe that she is worth it so thanks guys you've just helped me make up my mind of what to get her :)

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