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Old Friday 10th October 2008, 00:55   #26
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I love this thread. The only "bad thing" is that it is like giving crack to a cocaine addict. What were you thinking when you posted this Kevin?

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On another note, I will see if I can find it but there was a place I saw on another forum that was selling the Bushnell Elite 60 something mm spotter for under $40. Yes, you read that correctly, under $40...shipped. The bad news is that I got to the thread late and the website had actually shut the link down because too many people caught wind of it and ordered them at that price.
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Old Friday 10th October 2008, 01:47   #27
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I saw that one too. On buy.com. It will be interesting to see if they fulfil those orders or not.

Crack, eh? I suppose so. You start of cheap then you need a bit more because the cheap stuff isn't doing it for you any more. I can handle this, you think. Then you try the next level up. Man, these are good. Got to get me some of these. How much, man?

Perhaps the Hawke and Promaster are the Naloxone of the bin business. Just keep the person happy and stable for a while?
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Old Friday 10th October 2008, 19:04   #28
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Updated my previous post on Bushnell Elite 8x43 for $456 from Amazon (on page 1)

http://birdforum.net/showpost.php?p=...5&postcount=23

They're the previous version with minor changes from current version (4 click stops on eyecups and improvement to dielectric mirror coating).

They also qualify (as it has Rainguard) for the "Free Jacket" promotion (waterproof, breathable, quiet, "Real Tree" camo). They call it a rebate (which I hate) but it's really a "free gift" (send in UPC, recipit, and a $10 check and get the jacket).

They're also one of the lightest 8x43 out there at under 23oz.

2 left as I write this.

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Old Tuesday 14th October 2008, 05:50   #29
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Old Sunday 19th October 2008, 01:27   #30
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CameralandNY has a couple more Brown Vortex Diamondbacks for $129 in 8x42

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...page/1/gonew/1
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Old Sunday 19th October 2008, 02:07   #31
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Sounds like a really good deal. Too bad I am not in need of much anything below my one top end Pentax. Well, I could probably go for a 8.5x if a similar deal came by. Always wanted a 8.5x to try but passed many times on the Swift. I borrowed the 8.5x porro one time but prefer roofs.
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Old Sunday 19th October 2008, 06:01   #32
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CameralandNY has a couple more Brown Vortex Diamondbacks for $129 in 8x42

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...page/1/gonew/1

Looks like a good deal. I just saw your early post on Bhphoto deal for $99 Excursion 10x42. If Excursion is indeed the same as Diamondback, that deal is smoking hot.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...nocular_.html#
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Looks like a good deal. I just saw your early post on Bhphoto deal for $99 Excursion 10x42. If Excursion is indeed the same as Diamondback, that deal is smoking hot.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...nocular_.html#
The Diamondbacks for $129 is a great deal. They're "good enough bins"(tm) with a good no-fault warranty for first roofs or loaner roofs or roofs that you don't have to worry about if you are doing something else.

I did order the Excusions deal (I don't do that with everything post!). I now have the Excursion 10x42 but haven't taken it birding yet (though I did take it out to my local P Patch (my regular close in testing place on Capitol Hill) and was very pleasantly surprised. I wouldn't have ordered a cheap 10x roof (and my only other 10x bins are my inexpensive but rather good $90 Eagle Optic Raptor 10x42 porros seemed like a better deal!) but I'd been thinking about iPod speakers and that pushed me over the edge. Of course now I can try some 10x birding without to much expense. The view is quite good. I guess I'm still surprised by how good a "low end" view is today even in cheaper 10x42 bins. Of course there is a lot lower in the market

BTW that bundle was originally a Bushnell bundle (both are bin and the iPod speakers are Bushnell branded) shrink-wrapped together with a sticker. Retail bins and retail speaker. I guess they got closedout.

But I'll take the two 10x out and compare them.

Oh, and the Bushnell Excursion 10x42 have a stamp (in black on the dark grey armor) indicating they're Chinese made rather than a stick-on label. I think my Celestron Ultima DX are the only other's that I have like that. All the other Chinese roofs seem would rather hide it.

It's the model number (I think) and a clue to the OEM:

SH 123456 CHINA AO

I can't recall the number: it could be a serial or a model number.

SH? Shanghai? Shenzen? Just a code or model number?

AO? A-something Optical? The name of the OEM perhaps?

It might reveal where the Vortex, Bushnell, Hawke and Promasters are OEMed (or maybe even ODMed ... Original Design Manufacturer ... the correct term for people who do the design and the build).

Anyhow this should probably be on another thread ...

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Old Sunday 19th October 2008, 08:14   #34
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Sounds like a really good deal. Too bad I am not in need of much anything below my one top end Pentax. Well, I could probably go for a 8.5x if a similar deal came by. Always wanted a 8.5x to try but passed many times on the Swift. I borrowed the 8.5x porro one time but prefer roofs.
The Brown Vortex 8 x 42 Diamondback at Cameraland, priced at $129.99 is a remarkably good deal for a very good binocular. I have one of the green ones. I should have waited! Darn!

I wouldn't get one of the 8.5 x 50 Vultures though. (I think there is a similar sale for them and the 12 x 50 too, with higher prices, on the brown coyote versions) They have too narrow a FOV and are heavy. If I was going to get an economical 8.5 roof, I'd get the Swift HHS. I've tried it (and compared it at the same time with a Swaro. 8.5 x 42 and couldn't justify the over $1200.00 price differential) and I like it's view and ergonomics a lot. And it's much lighter in weight than the Vultures. But it's not likely we will ever see a sale on that one.
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Old Wednesday 22nd October 2008, 01:56   #35
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A bit of an odd ball porro, 8.5x
http://cameras.pricegrabber.com/binoculars/m/53070117/

I tend not to risk those kind of toys anymore. Not unless I could return it.
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Old Wednesday 22nd October 2008, 03:01   #36
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It is an oddball. I recall the Carson Optical SuperWide 8.5 x 42 Binocular with E x tra-Wide Field of View having been mentioned on the forum before (or perhaps over at Cloudy Nights)
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It is an oddball and I own one. I popped for it after reading favorable comments from an icon on another board, CEWDewer. He loves it for the huge fields of view at night allowing whole constellations to be viewed. I figured since I really enjoy my vintage uber wide angle 7x35 porros that it'd be a pretty safe bet. Well at 11* FOV and > 90* AFOV it is in another class all together.

While there is some edge distortion in the vintage 7x35s, I have never found them distracting or objectionable. With the Carson, focus is very twitchy with the wheel requiring spot on setting. The edges have more pronounced issues which combined with a lack of focus outside of the modest sized sweet spot conspire to displease. That said Dewer is right about night time view encompassing a vast expanse, although stars outside of the center get twisted and stretched unnaturally.

If you, unlike me, like bins with sharp centers and are not dissuaded by problematic edges or smaller sweet spots (which is why I went for my Swaros over the Zeiss FL, etc.) this might just be an inexpensive fun pair of bins to enjoy. Me? I could have spent the money much better elsewhere.
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Amazon.com has some superb deals on Kowa binoculars right now. Unfortunately, the deals are on the ones with the silly camo coating. Drop them in the dry grass and you'll be glad they were cheap 'cause you'll have a devil of a time finding them. The 8x32's are a shade under $275. I've looked at these in the past at the Anacortes Telescope and Wild Bird store and regretted the Kowa's bins are not more widely accepted.

Here's a link http://www.amazon.com/Kowa-BD32-8-CA...727503&sr=8-23

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I just received an email that Eagle Optics is having a blow out sale on Audubon Binoculars.....

Vector 8x25 35.99
Compact 8x25 41.99
Raptor 8x42 71.99
Vector 8x42 77.99
Dimensions 80 mm scope 95.99
Equinox HP 8x42 181.99
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Includes 10x, at 78 dollars. $129.99 elsewhere.

OK, will check out the 10x42. If it surpasses my Monarch 10x, may sell that. I still have the Pentax.

At least the weight listing is right 29oz. Unlike the Bushnell 8x42.
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I see the Audubon Intrepid 8x40 sold out (lightweight, narrow FOV porro) but the 10x is still available (as are 10x of all the other ones).

There is also a Audobon cleaning kit for $4 (blower/brush, cleaning solution and lens papers) if one should need one.

They're all in the Hot Deals section.

http://www.eagleoptics.com/hot_deals.asp
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Woohoo, I have a tracking number. By Fri? Kevin, are these Raptors any good?
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I've not tried them before but I decided to try the Raptors too: my collection is curiously short of a 8x42 porro!

Specs look OK. I'm expecting something between your Legend 8x42 and the Celestron Ultima DX (hopefully towards the latter though I've not ABed those two either!).

John Traynor commented on them back in 2004 or 2005. He liked them.

http://www.birdforum.net/archive/index.php/t-24664.html

I would have liked to try the Intrepid too

I did add a Stoke Meadowlark to the order to try that out: a 10oz non-PC roof for an always carry bin could be interesting but I'm not holding my breath (I may need to buy an Opticron Discovery 8x32 or a Vixen Atrek (it's non-PC but priced in $ version)).
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They have my minimal requirement of apparently good eye cups and waterproofness. If they are bright, they will get some use in winter with ducks and gulls. I have one harness left that may find use with this 29 oz porro.

All of them list as IN STOCK for the moment.
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Thanks, Tero. They were marked "out of stock" earlier!

So I've got an Intrepid coming too ...
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Eagle Optics still has two $44.99 binoculars. Both Pentax; a 7x50 WP porro and a DCF HR 12x42. They are the first two binoculars shown in the Pentax section of the EO site.
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Sure, now you go and say that...before I decided whether or not I was going to sell the Cascade 8x42 porro....

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Definitely let us know what you think about those Audubons guys. I remember some porro remarks in the one Cornell review about some of those models but you know how that is.

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Anyone have any comments on the 8x42 Equinox HP???....I am looking for a new pair and these sound like a good deal due to the sale...I was considering Vortex Diamondbacks....Any advice selecting between the two will be appreciated...which are better bins? Thank you.
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No idea, but they are still returnable despite the sale price.
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