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Old Wednesday 19th November 2008, 02:21   #1
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Long-lost Charadrius Plover

Check this out - they've determined the identity of some "mystery plovers" in SE Asia - they are apparently a long-lost species, Charadrius dealbatus, which they're calling the "White-faced Plover". True taxonomic status TBD.

http://birdlifeindochina.org/report_pdfs/babbler27.pdf - scroll down to pages 11-13
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Old Wednesday 19th November 2008, 14:13   #2
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Nice! I remember a thread a couple of years back on the id forum (?) which described these birds in detail, using the white-faced name; at that time, no scientific name was connected with the birds.

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how fantastic!!
congratulations to forum member Dave B
hope it gets a good reception with the "powers that be"

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http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=102393
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Old Wednesday 19th November 2008, 19:56   #4
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This was also described in the August number of Forktail, no 24 (2008):63-79.
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What a nice armchair tick that would be:-)
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Old Monday 28th February 2011, 14:07   #6
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This was also described in the August number of Forktail, no 24 (2008):63-79.
Kennerley et al 2008 now published on the OBC website:
http://www.orientalbirdclub.org/publ...Charadrius.pdf

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Old Tuesday 1st March 2011, 18:02   #7
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Kennerley et al 2008 now published on the OBC website:
http://www.orientalbirdclub.org/publ...Charadrius.pdf

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goodie!

interesting to see that they've discovered a breeding site.
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goodie!

interesting to see that they've discovered a breeding site.
Hmmm; rather disconcertingly they lose the white lores very quickly on the breeding grounds (hard to find a white-lored bird in Fujian by mid May) and look rather more like Kentish Plovers....

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Hmmm; rather disconcertingly they lose the white lores very quickly on the breeding grounds (hard to find a white-lored bird in Fujian by mid May) and look rather more like Kentish Plovers....

cheers, alan
True but then again "...passing similarity to Malaysian Plover when in breeding plumage"

I guess it'll all hinge on the genetics...
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some nice recent photos here > http://www.birdingetc.com/2011/02/red-hot-plovers.html
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Forthcoming...

Rheindt, Székely, Edwards, Lee, Burke, Kennerley, Bakewell, Al-Rashidi, Kosztolányi, Weston, Liu, Lei, Shigeta, Javed, Zefania & Küpper. Conflict between genetic and phenotypic differentiation: the evolutionary history of a 'lost and rediscovered' shorebird. Submitted.
Other papers in the pipeline from Frank Rheindt et al:
  • Rheindt, Eaton & Verbelen 2011. Vocal trait evolution in a geographic leapfrog pattern: speciation in the Ptilinopus subgularis complex from Wallacea. Wilson J Orn: in press.

  • Van Balen, Eaton & Rheindt. Biology, taxonomy and conservation status of the Short-tailed Green Magpie Cissa thalassina from Java. Submitted.
http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/e...ople/Frank.htm
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[indent]Other papers in the pipeline from Frank Rheindt et al:
[list][*]Rheindt, Eaton & Verbelen 2011. Vocal trait evolution in a geographic leapfrog pattern: speciation in the Ptilinopus subgularis complex from Wallacea. Wilson J Orn: in press.
There was also a few weeks ago :
"Rheindt, F. E. & J. A. Eaton, 2011. A taxonomic reappraisal of the Maroon-chinned Fruit-Dove Ptilinopus subgularis complex based on morphology and vocalizations" ... that should be published in a forthcoming Forktail.

Still pending or replaced by the above article ?
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There was also a few weeks ago :
"Rheindt, F. E. & J. A. Eaton, 2011. A taxonomic reappraisal of the Maroon-chinned Fruit-Dove Ptilinopus subgularis complex based on morphology and vocalizations" ... that should be published in a forthcoming Forktail.
Still pending or replaced by the above article ?
Yes, Frank listed that title as in submission last year:
http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.ph...70&postcount=1

But I guess it morphed into the forthcoming Wilson J Orn paper.
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Anyone has this paper or hasn't it been published yet?
Rheindt, Székely, Edwards, Lee, Burke, Kennerley, Bakewell, Al-Rashidi, Kosztolányi, Weston, Liu, Lei, Shigeta, Javed, Zefania & Küpper. Conflict between genetic and phenotypic differentiation: the evolutionary history of a 'lost and rediscovered' shorebird. Submitted.
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Rheindt, Székely, Edwards, Lee, Burke, Kennerley, Bakewell, Al-Rashidi, Kosztolányi, Weston, Liu, Lei, Shigeta, Javed, Zefania & Küpper. Conflict between genetic and phenotypic differentiation: the evolutionary history of a 'lost and rediscovered' shorebird. Submitted.
Rheindt, Székely, Edwards, Lee, Burke, Kennerley, Bakewell, Alrashidi, Kosztolányi, Weston, Liu, Lei, Shigeta, Javed, Zefania & Küpper 2011. Conflict between genetic and phenotypic differentiation: the evolutionary history of a 'lost and rediscovered' shorebird. PLoS ONE 6(11): e26995. [pdf]
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So no tick there then...
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John Boyd (TiF):
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/changes.html [10 Nov 2011]
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/List8.html#charadriidae
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So no tick there then...
But if I read the figure correctly, increased support for Snowy Plover being separate (in that there is sampling to Japan in Kentish P.).

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But if I read the figure correctly, increased support for Snowy Plover being separate...
Most of us had already ticked that one.

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Most of us had already ticked that one.
Me too, but I believe I read somewhere a comment about parts of Asia not being sampled in the first paper (or is my memory playing games with me?).

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Me too, but I believe I read somewhere a comment about parts of Asia not being sampled in the first paper...
Indeed, eg Andy Kratter raised that concern re AOU-NACC Proposal 2010-A-1 (passed), now AOU-SACC Proposal #482 (pending), but the split of C nivosus has nevertheless been adopted by IOC, Cornell (Clements/eBird), AOU and BOU.
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White-faced Plover C dealbatus deleted as IOC World Bird List proposed split, following Rheindt et al 2011:
www.worldbirdnames.org/updates-PS.html [updated 10 Nov 2011]
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Indeed, eg Andy Kratter raised that concern re AOU-NACC Proposal 2010-A-1 (passed), now AOU-SACC Proposal #482 (pending), but the split of C nivosus has nevertheless been adopted by IOC, Cornell (Clements/eBird), AOU and BOU.
SACC Proposal 482 passed 11 Nov 2011: Recent changes.
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White-faced Plover

Eames & Craik 2012. First breeding record of White-faced Plover Charadrius dealbatus in the Indomalayan Realm. BirdingASIA 17: 109–110.

Duyen Hai District, Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam - May 2009.
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Eames & Craik 2012. First breeding record of White-faced Plover Charadrius dealbatus in the Indomalayan Realm. BirdingASIA 17: 109–110.

Duyen Hai District, Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam - May 2009.
No comment on the specific status (or otherwise) other than "Charadrius dealbatus sensu stricto".

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