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Old Tuesday 24th August 2004, 14:25   #26
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I don't usually share my sketchpads but since we are talking about sketching through a scope....

I was off work ill on tuesday and spent some of the afternoon in the conservatory with the scope sketching the sparrows in the garden. Here are some of the results.

Some of the sketches are 'better' than others but IMHO it doesn't matter. What matters is experiencing the birds and sketching makes you observe closely. It's all 'grist for the mill' when it comes to producing a finished work whether you work from photos or not.

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Wow! Woody how do you do that!! How do you draw so detailed and so quickly?

I myself can draw rather brilliantly when the subject is stuffed or a photo, but real life I just dont get enough details down before the bird moves and it is hard for me to imagine what the birds markings look like in other poses.

Well anyway my hats off to you Woody!
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Old Tuesday 24th August 2004, 16:38   #27
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Wow! Woody how do you do that!! How do you draw so detailed and so quickly?

I myself can draw rather brilliantly when the subject is stuffed or a photo, but real life I just dont get enough details down before the bird moves and it is hard for me to imagine what the birds markings look like in other poses.

Well anyway my hats off to you Woody!
Thank you.

Sketching through a scope is a skill I'm slowly learning as I've only had my scope just over a year.

These spuggies were sitting in some leylandii (sp?) in my neighbours' garden. It was a hot day and they would rest for a few minutes then all fly off, only to return a few minutes later.

I think there are about 30 birds in this group at the moment, including all the youngsters, so if one bird moved there was another in a similar pose that I could work from. I am pretty familiar with sparrows and that helps a lot when drawing them, the more I draw them the more familiar I get so, with luck, my sketches should get more accurate as I do more.

The bird in flight is more guesswork than anything but the pose was the 'impression' I got as one of the birds took off from the tree. I watched the bird then closed my eyes for a few seconds and tried to 'fix' the image in my mind then drew from that and familiarity.

It was a great afternoon, topped off by a male sparrowhawk (a garden first!) and two flyovers by a hobby, one of which was a chase!

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Old Sunday 29th August 2004, 21:54   #28
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Hello all!

I enjoy sketching the birds I see. I am not very good at it but strive to improve and I've found some good websites like surfbirds.com . There does not seem to be a forum on BF catering for people who enjoy this sort of activity. Is there any interest out there?
I really enjoy action sketches of the birds seen through the scope as a way of really looking at birds. I seen to learn a lot more about the bird when I draw it.
I've photographed birds for many years but I seen to derive a greater pleasure from trying to draw and paint them lately (and its cheaper!!).
Iam a landscape painter but am getting more interested in birds and want to start painting them. Any advice.
Any interest in s.wales.Any groups?clubs out there? A bird art forum sounds ok although I am new to all this web stuff.Cant stand these irritating little icons
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Old Monday 30th August 2004, 00:35   #29
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I enjoyed reading the comments on this thread. I am trying to draw more birds from life rather than from photos or field guides. I prefer to use #2 pencils to sketch and then complete using colored pencils. I do sometimes sketch a bird that is sedentary by viewing it through my scope but I believe my better efforts are obtained when I am sitting at a table and viewing some birds which come to our bird feeders. They are normally there longer than they would be when I am out in the field. Therefore I can take more time with my sketches. I still seem to get better results working from a photo though, rather than trying to get a good drawing of a 'live" bird which is moving about.
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I also draw birds, but now only occassionally.

I find drawing a bird from life or at least TV invaluable. First I copied birds from illustrations (probably most people do it!). But I think it was the dead end. Birds look flat and it was difficult to do more than typical "bird from the side perching" composition.

I started skretching from memory, TV, zoo birds etc. and it is much better. And best was when I attended general drawing lessons for a few months. I only drawn humans, but advice was fit for birds, too.

I most like hunched or preening birds. They move different parts of body, and suddenly completely new shapes and colors appear.

Surprisingly, but, most of the best bird pictures I saw were drawn by falconers. Whatever I think about falconry, they paint simply great. Probably because they study their falcons every day.
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Old Monday 30th August 2004, 13:50   #31
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Iam a landscape painter but am getting more interested in birds and want to start painting them. Any advice.
Any interest in s.wales.Any groups?clubs out there? A bird art forum sounds ok although I am new to all this web stuff.Cant stand these irritating little icons
Hehehe! Paint rare birds, so the birders will be happy
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Just come back from sketching at my local resevoir. Tried out a Pentel 0.9mm automatic pencil. Much better than the 0.7mm 2B I've used for years. Seems to glide over the 'tooth' on my paper. I've also been experimenting with Karisma Aquarelle graphite water-soluble pencils this summer. Nice for getting quick tonal sketches of the light on a bird. I used to use 4B normal pencils before discovering'the easier to use and fuss-free Pentels.
Did anyone else meet the sketchers guru (Lars Jonsson) at the Bird Fair. A nice bloke. Met him in the art marquee on the Sat. He always uses watercolour paper for sketching on. I suppose he can afford to!
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I met Lars Jonsson as well at the bird fair. A nice bloke as you say, and signed my "Treasures of the Forgotten Forest", too. I will never throw away the old biro of mine that he used to sign the book with (I marked it with an Oriental Bird Club sticker, so I will always know it!)...
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Yeah I really want to improve my ability to quickly sketch a bird in the field and be able to get enough details to do a finished painting from these sketches.

Every attempt so far has failed miserably.

I guess the biggest problem is the birds move so much it is hard for me to lock in my brain on one pose and completely draw it on paper.

I try to keep sketches very simple drawing the largest shapes of the bird first, egg shapes, then I start to draw the others.

Somehow this just isnt quick enough.

Is it just a matter of practice makes perfect?

Thanks!
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I am in much the same position. I get problems because the bird moves so quickly and I can't seem to catch it quickly enough, or lock the image in my brain.
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Chris 3871, I like your idea of digiscoping for the purpose of painting later on from the photos. I always feel self-conscious when in a hide, drawing through a scope, with others around.
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I do, too, Den. But then I forget about others and just concentrate on the birds.
Did some sketches of Canada Geese at Lower Test Marshes (Southampton) yesterday and am pleased. I'll scan 'em in if anyone wants to look.

Nightheron, I am just going to practise and practise. It is easier when you first sketch larger, less active birds, such as geese, etc. I also tried to sketch a Little Egret that was present at the marshes yesterday, but it was so active it was very difficult, and I had forgotten to bring my digital camera along, so couldn't photograph him for later reference!

I prefer to sketch from life, but see no harm in sketching and painting from digital images either.
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I would love a forum on this, I just joined today and found this thread and I was so pleased. Ive just ordered a book on drawing birds. I used to use photos but am now trying to draw from life but I too find they move so fast! I want to paint my birds as well as draw them. Woody your drawings are great. Something to aspire to. Im lucky to have the bird feeders right by the window.
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I'm another person in favour of such a forum. I take pictures of birds through the scope, and paint them. I have previously just painted from books, but I prefer to paint something I have actually seen in a place I know.

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I agree with you Chris. I've just spent time at the RSPB Old Moor Reserve drawing Egrets and Waders. I feel more motivated drawing and painting birds I see through the scope. I spent many, many years photographing them which was rewarding but not relaxing. As I developed my drawing, I found I enjoyed my birding more. I did not get frustrated when I could not get close to a bird to fill the frame with the camera. I get much more satisfation using a simple sketchbook and pencil approach and leaving most of the technical junk at home.
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I like most to skretch moving birds. If they move, I can quickly skretch the idea. Then I fill every part - head, wings, tail bit by bit.

Also, after some minutes of looking at the bird I remember them in 3D. I can make a skretch - and again, fill details bit by bit from birds in other positions or from pics.
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I like most to skretch moving birds. If they move, I can quickly skretch the idea. Then I fill every part - head, wings, tail bit by bit.

Also, after some minutes of looking at the bird I remember them in 3D. I can make a skretch - and again, fill details bit by bit from birds in other positions or from pics.
That is awesome, can you share some of your sketches.
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My interest in wild birds was started by sketching stuffed raptors and swans in Norwich Museum, and then Peter Scott's awesome paintings of Whooper and Bewick's swans. Then I found 'Thorburn's birds' and realised I'm a born photographer (read: talentless with a pen :-))

I still love to see great drawings of birds.
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Oh, I like this idea.

I really like the idea of "field sketches as art in their own right" (Woody, I hate you! Your field sketches should be framed! ) and a forum like this would really inspire me to get my backside into gear and put more effort into my drawing.
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May I recommend a book I recently purchased: Field Sketches by Mike Warren? It is not a "How to do" sort of book, but reproductions of his field sketches. It is well worth getting hold of a copy. It isn't cheap at 25, but is well worth it. It may look daunting "oh my gaad, I can't do that!", but I think it's inspiring.
It can be obtained from his website www.mikewarren.co.uk/index.html
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May I recommend a book I recently purchased: Field Sketches by Mike Warren? It is not a "How to do" sort of book, but reproductions of his field sketches. It is well worth getting hold of a copy. It isn't cheap at 25, but is well worth it. It may look daunting "oh my gaad, I can't do that!", but I think it's inspiring.
It can be obtained from his website www.mikewarren.co.uk/index.html
I bought Lars Jonsson's 'Birds and Light' recently. Superb! Don't try to read it in bed though. It's too heavy. If you doze off, it will get you on the bridge of the nose. Ouch!
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A wonderful book, Den. I bought it a year or two back and it totally justifies the 35.00 price tag. Superb.
I am also after "Guardian Spirit of the East Bank" but I can't find it here in Southampton and didn't see a copy at the Bird Fair either, although it is a new title. I have a feeling that's rather pricey too.
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I would love a forum on this, I just joined today and found this thread and I was so pleased. Ive just ordered a book on drawing birds. I used to use photos but am now trying to draw from life but I too find they move so fast! I want to paint my birds as well as draw them. Woody your drawings are great. Something to aspire to. Im lucky to have the bird feeders right by the window.

Iam interested in what book you ordered as I to want to start this 'side' of biding .
I am sure this will eventually help with my poor identifying skills,

I see A LOT of little brown Jobs
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Another book well worth getting is John Busby's "Drawing Birds" which features sketches by eminent artists who, apart from John Busby himself, include Ian Lewington, Lars Jonsson and Killian Mullarney, among others. I bought mine in Waterstones last month.

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Hardcover 144 pages (July 2004)
Publisher: Christopher Helm
ISBN: 0713668164
My copy is a softcover one and cost 19.99
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Hi, I just downloaded three skretches into the gallery. Actually, concepts were from the imagination so results look a bit flat. Details were filled basing on pictures.
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Iam interested in what book you ordered as I to want to start this 'side' of biding .
I am sure this will eventually help with my poor identifying skills,

I see A LOT of little brown Jobs
Hello John, the book I ordered is the one Sea Wanderer has mentioned Drawing Birds by John Busby Good Luck.
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