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Old Monday 6th July 2009, 10:04   #1
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Bar-winged Cinclodes

Sanín, Cadena, Maley, Lijtmaer, Tubaro & Chesser 2009. Paraphyly of Cinclodes fuscus (Aves: Passeriformes: Furnariidae): Implications for Taxonomy and Biogeography. Molecular Phylogenetics & Evolution (in press).
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...458d11f283f6e6

This paper suggests that Bar-winged Cinclodes should be split into southern, central and northern species (perhaps as previously suggested by Jaramillo 2003: Birds of Chile).

My guess is that this would result in something like:
  • C fuscus (monotypic) - [Jaramillo's 'Buff-winged Cinclodes']
  • C albiventris (incl 'longipennis', 'rivularis', tucumanus, rufus, yzurietae, riojanus) - [Jaramillo's 'Cream-winged Cinclodes']
  • C albidiventris (incl oreobates, 'paramo', heterurus)
Perhaps someone with access could clarify...

Richard

PS: Remsen 2003 (HBW8) treats longipennis as a synonym of albiventris, but it is actually senior (1838 cf 1861), and perhaps should have priority?

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Old Monday 6th July 2009, 12:16   #2
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Hi Richard

Do you have a quick range summary?

I'd like to know which one this is (Cotopaxi, Ecuador): http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjbirder/3339936838

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I'd like to know which one this is (Cotopaxi, Ecuador)...
John,

Should be albidiventris - N Ecuador (S from Imbabura, possibly from Carchi) S to N Peru (Piura, Cajamarca), according to Remsen 2003.

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Do you have a quick range summary?
Roughly from the map :

heterurus : SW Venezuela
oreobates : W Colombia
aldibiventris : SW Colombia, C Ecuador, NW Peru
albiventris : W Peru, SW Bolivia, NW Argentina
fuscus : NC Chile, W & S Argentina
tucumanus, rufus, yzurietae, riojanus : NW Argentina
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thanks Richard & Daniel

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My guess is that this would result in something like:
  • C fuscus (monotypic) - [Jaramillo's 'Buff-winged Cinclodes']
  • C albiventris (incl 'longipennis', 'rivularis', tucumanus, rufus, yzurietae, riojanus) - [Jaramillo's 'Cream-winged Cinclodes']
  • C albidiventris (incl oreobates, 'paramo', heterurus)
Perhaps someone with access could clarify...
Yes, that's exactly right
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Yes, that's exactly right
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...are English names proposed?

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...are English names proposed?
...Just noticed that the original species name Bar-winged Cinclodes has been reassigned to C albidiventris in John Boyd's TiF Checklist:
http://jboyd.net/Taxo/changes.html

Could be confusing. Maybe Páramo Cinclodes would be less ambiguous?

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But Paramo Cinclodes has been used as english name for Cinclodes excelsior
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But Paramo Cinclodes has been used as english name for Cinclodes excelsior
Oops, missed that - I'm still a beginner when it comes to the Neotropics! Perhaps 'Short-billed Paramo Cinclodes' or 'Paramo Bar-winged Cinclodes' - only joking.

mb1848, with your evident interest in the historical record, can you shed any light on my earlier comment (post #1, PS) re the priority of albiventris (Philippi & Landbeck, 1861) vs longipennis (Swainson, 1838)?

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Sanín, Cadena, Maley, Lijtmaer, Tubaro & Chesser 2009. Paraphyly of Cinclodes fuscus (Aves: Passeriformes: Furnariidae): Implications for Taxonomy and Biogeography. Molecular Phylogenetics & Evolution (in press).
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...458d11f283f6e6

This paper suggests that Bar-winged Cinclodes should be split into southern, central and northern species:
  • C fuscus
  • C albiventris
  • C albidiventris
Remsen 2003 (HBW8) treats longipennis as a synonym of albiventris, but it is actually senior (1838 cf 1861), and perhaps should have priority?
Camilo Sanín has now submitted Proposals #414/415 to AOU-SACC to change the linear sequence of species in Cinclodes and to split Cinclodes fuscus into three species (English names are not suggested):
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop414.html
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop415.html

I still wonder about the use of albiventris vs longipennis...

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Camilo Sanín has now submitted Proposals #414/415 to AOU-SACC to change the linear sequence of species in Cinclodes and to split Cinclodes fuscus into three species (English names are not suggested):
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop414.html
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop415.html
Proposals #414/415 passed today.
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCproproster.html

English names:
  • C fuscus - Buff-winged Cinclodes
  • C albiventris - Cream-winged Cinclodes
  • C albidiventris - Chestnut-winged Cinclodes
Richard (with thanks to Daniel)

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Remsen 2003 (HBW8) treats longipennis as a synonym of albiventris, but it is actually senior (1838 cf 1861), and perhaps should have priority?
Concerning the seniority of Peruvian longipennis to both albiventris and albidiventris, Van Remsen and Camilo Sanín have explained that due to confusion regarding the type locality and in the absence of a type specimen, it is uncertain whether longipennis represents the central or the northern species.

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