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Monday 31st August 2009, 20:29
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Numenius sp.(Ukraine) - (possible SBC)?
Hello, help me please with Numenius
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Monday 31st August 2009, 20:54
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VERY interesting looking bird
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Monday 31st August 2009, 21:02
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Monday 31st August 2009, 21:04
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whimbrel for me
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Monday 31st August 2009, 21:06
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And I'll dare to say that this is a Whimbrel and not a Slender-billed Curlew!
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...I'll third that, anyone brave enough to say "the name"|
Monday 31st August 2009, 21:25
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This bird does look superficially very good for SBC. The bill proportions are spot on for the Moroccan adults and what can be seen of the plumage looks ok. Crikey.
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Monday 31st August 2009, 21:42
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This thread may get some interest if word gets out. I agree that overall plumage looks pretty good from what I know (not a lot...)
Zac
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Monday 31st August 2009, 21:49
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Are there any more photos of this bird?
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Monday 31st August 2009, 21:51
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I can't see crown stripes and I guess a classic whimbrel would show them. I think we need actual expert opinion here. I'll stop looking at the images, I'm a firm believer and the more I look the more
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Monday 31st August 2009, 21:55
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It appears to be calling in the first pic - Osprey0311 - if it was and you could hear it what did it sound like!?
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Monday 31st August 2009, 21:59
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Hello! I added 2 photos.
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Monday 31st August 2009, 22:02
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Hello,AStevenson, I can not remember voice :-(
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Monday 31st August 2009, 22:08
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I'm no expert but I think this should be put on the rare bird forum just to attract more attention.
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Monday 31st August 2009, 22:20
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I see from the EXIF info that the bird was seen on 18th August, so I guess there's not much chance that it's still there to be studied or photographed more closely? Last edited by dbradnum : Monday 31st August 2009 at 22:23. |
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Monday 31st August 2009, 22:26
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the underwing looks great - clean with few spots and tapering to dark, and nothing like a classic whimbrel or curlew...
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Monday 31st August 2009, 22:33
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agree with zack, underwing and overall appearence looks good and could put this out further e.g. surfbirds, birdguides etc
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Monday 31st August 2009, 22:39
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I'm not at all an expert but i would dare to conclude that it might be a juv Numenius arquata (i hope that i'm wrong).
In the 1st (4517) photo i can not see a white tail with 4-5 bands, it seems dark imo. The most distinctive element for a SBC (hence the name of the species) of the thin edge of the bill seems absent in all the photos. The underside of the body seems more confusing, i think its white enough for a SBC. Anyway there are some light spots on the coverts which could exclude the target species. |
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Monday 31st August 2009, 22:54
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http://www.birdguides.com/iris/pictu...p?v=1&f=208725
I was thinking that the underwing was too clean for eurasian Curlew. This image on Bird Guides doesn't help that thought. Zac
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Monday 31st August 2009, 22:56
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Taking into account the relative quality of photos..[no disrespect to photographer]!....it doesn't really 'fit the bill' for me for an SBC. I would have thought that flank spotting would appear more prominent....as for the bill?..well....a bit blurry...it might be finer than it 'appears'. Hopefully a few more pix might help. At moment i tend to agree with 'sternahirundo'....
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Monday 31st August 2009, 23:12
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I don't think this is a whimbrel......hmmmmmmmm.
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Tuesday 1st September 2009, 08:38
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Just in case this video is useful...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOXpHnZIq8o Fingers crossed that it is one... D. Edit: IF it is one, what age would it be? Juvenile?
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Tuesday 1st September 2009, 09:16
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hi,
the exact location would be interesting, osprey. ukraine certainly is within the potential migration route of the possible remaining SBC, but i guess more towards black sea (as i recall having seen a map of findings). it doesn't look like an adult SBC to me. spots should be visible even in this crop, and 3 contrasting tail bands are not there either (slightly visible in first pic). it doesn't look like whimbrel either. juv arquata or juv tenuirostris???
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Tuesday 1st September 2009, 09:17
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am assuming this was somewhere in the ukraine then??
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Tuesday 1st September 2009, 10:09
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Agree definitely not a Whimbrel - certainly a strange looking bird -
Have been looking at some old photos of SBC from Richard Porter for comparison (see http://www.hawar-islands.com/blog/id_stub.php) taken on 1 Jan 1984 at Hodeidah, Yemen - certainly worth looking at the video by Andy Butler as suggested by Dimitris in post 22 - undecided myself |
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