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BOP Nottinghamshire, UK (1 Viewer)
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Steve Dunn
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I thought BK as soon as i saw the pic. The observer apparently told my pal that it was a blackish colour..
Isurus
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I think that's probably where my money would go too.
Birding Bob
Robert Williamson
Marsh Harrier for me.
Rob
Rob
ilikecrestedtits
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I would go for black kite.
purple highflyer
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Hi Steve
Although the lack of obvious fork in the tail does favour Bk , I can only make a five fingerd "hand" on the wing uppermost in the picture ,bk should have six ? .
PH
ilikecrestedtits
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There is a picture of a young black kite with only 5 fingers in The guide to BOP of europe, north africa and middle east; author Benny Gensboel;
Brian Stretch
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Certainly appears to be a kite, but it would be impossible to eliminate a Black x Red from this picture.
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deborah4
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I think some eastern ssp have a five fingered wing form. but that would be unlikely in UK I would have thought. Even BK show some forked tail even fully fanned and definitely when partially/completely closed (as some naff pics show!)
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Steve Dunn
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Guys
I very much doubt the cut and paste scenario is applicable here. The pic was taken by a non birder out for a walk near to Rufford CP in Notts over the weekend. He was aware my mate who works with him is a birder and took the pic purely to show him to say ''what was this i saw on saturday/sunday' - I am 100% certain it is a genuine pic taken by a genuinely interested/curious joe public.
I very much doubt the cut and paste scenario is applicable here. The pic was taken by a non birder out for a walk near to Rufford CP in Notts over the weekend. He was aware my mate who works with him is a birder and took the pic purely to show him to say ''what was this i saw on saturday/sunday' - I am 100% certain it is a genuine pic taken by a genuinely interested/curious joe public.
colonelboris
Right way up again
Black Kites often don't show a fork when the tail is fanned:
http://www.tonykeenebirds.co.uk/sbirds/blackkite.html
Also, photo 3 has only five fingers - all taken in Switzerland.
http://www.tonykeenebirds.co.uk/sbirds/blackkite.html
Also, photo 3 has only five fingers - all taken in Switzerland.
Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
We had a Red Kite around here recently that looked rather like that due to missing outer tail feathers. Not saying that's what this is from just the one photo but it's certainly a possibility.
SteveClifton
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A pitfall at this time of year is that young red kites can show a shorter tail than adults, leading to confusion with BK.
BK usually shows 6 primaries but again, at this time of year, a bird in active primary moult could only show 5!!! Very confusing...
On the balance of probability this bird would be a young RK, but on the basis of this one photo I wouldn't like to say for certain. Wing and tail shapes can appear longer/shorter depending on viewing angle, so don't rely too much on structure based on one image.
To my eyes the wings look quite slender which would point to RK.
Steve
BK usually shows 6 primaries but again, at this time of year, a bird in active primary moult could only show 5!!! Very confusing...
On the balance of probability this bird would be a young RK, but on the basis of this one photo I wouldn't like to say for certain. Wing and tail shapes can appear longer/shorter depending on viewing angle, so don't rely too much on structure based on one image.
To my eyes the wings look quite slender which would point to RK.
Steve
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Steve Dunn
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Listen youth
The photo was taken with a mobile phone camera of a genuine bird in the sky in Notts! It's NOT a cut out job or whatever! The guy who took it is a non birder and purely curious as to what he saw above him! Simple!
It appears that the ID is not gonna get sorted so a case of one that got away...sort of.
MSA
I may be relaxed but I'm not drunk....
Youth! Thanks, that's made my day 
If it's a genuine pic, apologies for red herring, and no malice intended - just that I know how some people like to play "wind up the birder"... I have no idea what it might be, though, and to me it looks like one of these RSPB window stickers for preventing bird collisions. Might just be a Marsh Harrier though!
If it's a genuine pic, apologies for red herring, and no malice intended - just that I know how some people like to play "wind up the birder"... I have no idea what it might be, though, and to me it looks like one of these RSPB window stickers for preventing bird collisions. Might just be a Marsh Harrier though!
