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russkie · Tuesday 20th October 2009, 10:48

just a couple - sorry about photo quality but at range of 300mm lens

first i think is a bunting but open to suggestions

second is ploverish but note the lack of complete collar

many thanks for your time

Nigel

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rockfowl · Tuesday 20th October 2009, 10:54

Could you repost these at 600-800 width, they're too small to do anything with at present

russkie · Tuesday 20th October 2009, 11:45

just been told that the bunting? is actually a bushlark - prob rufous winged

ill try with the plover?

viator · Tuesday 20th October 2009, 12:01

If by Rufous-winged this is the same as Bengal (M. assamica) then unless the bit of SE Asia you were in is SW Myanmar probably not.

Where in SE Asia?

russkie · Tuesday 20th October 2009, 12:05

in Cambodia - person who told me is a high up birder of a local conservation NGO here- hes been birding here for donkeys years- says hes had them before.

viator · Tuesday 20th October 2009, 12:13

Hi Russkie, never seen one so I'll leave the actual id to others. According to Robson though SW Myanmar is the only area of SEA with Rufous-winged/Bengal. Checked the checklists on Avibase and the only two options you'd have would be Indochinese and Horsfields - not that that means it isn't a Rufous-winged...

rockfowl · Tuesday 20th October 2009, 12:24

The Bushlark appears to be an Indochinese, which is much heavier streaked than Horsfield's.

The Plover is difficult from this image, it looks very tapered and I can't really judge the bill length to rule out Long-billed which I think would be rare anyway and the habitat wouldn't be the favoured type so I'd suggest its a Little Ringed Plover.

russkie · Tuesday 20th October 2009, 12:45

thanks for your help chaps- reliable as always- just happy to be out with my new dslr to replace the one Ive had to leave in UK- for the moment.

Dong Bei · Wednesday 21st October 2009, 12:03

I also vote for Indochinese. I have seen them on those same kind of cement posts that seem to be everywhere out of Phnom Penh in Cambodia. Little-ringed Plover is common there also. Where in Cambodia were you?

Tom

Hanno · Wednesday 21st October 2009, 23:54

I would go for Indochinese, too. As far as I know there is no record of Rufous-winged in Cambodia. I suspect the photo was taken around Phnom Penh as that is where russkie is based.

Russkie, could you post larger pictures? The thumbnails are not very good for identifying anything, I am afraid.

Tuesday 20th October 2009, 10:48	#1
russkie Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: north east essex Posts: 607 My location	south-east asia bird id please just a couple - sorry about photo quality but at range of 300mm lens first i think is a bunting but open to suggestions second is ploverish but note the lack of complete collar many thanks for your time Nigel

Tuesday 20th October 2009, 10:54	#2
rockfowl Mark Andrews Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Leicester, UK Posts: 6,232	Could you repost these at 600-800 width, they're too small to do anything with at present __________________ DigiPics & Artwork - http://www.smandrews.com Digivideos - http://www.youtube.com/user/rockfowlmarkandrews Support the Oriental Bird Club

Tuesday 20th October 2009, 11:45	#3
russkie Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: north east essex Posts: 607 My location	just been told that the bunting? is actually a bushlark - prob rufous winged ill try with the plover? Attached Thumbnails

Tuesday 20th October 2009, 12:01	#4
viator Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,562	If by Rufous-winged this is the same as Bengal (M. assamica) then unless the bit of SE Asia you were in is SW Myanmar probably not. Where in SE Asia? __________________ Last Lifer: New Zealand Plover (#2338, Jun 8, '13) Top 3 Countries: Thailand (544), Malaysia (503), China (436) Last 2013 Bird: New Zealand Falcon (#405, May 25) www.viatorphoto.com/wildlife_galleries/birds

Tuesday 20th October 2009, 12:13	#6
viator Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,562	Hi Russkie, never seen one so I'll leave the actual id to others. According to Robson though SW Myanmar is the only area of SEA with Rufous-winged/Bengal. Checked the checklists on Avibase and the only two options you'd have would be Indochinese and Horsfields - not that that means it isn't a Rufous-winged... __________________ Last Lifer: New Zealand Plover (#2338, Jun 8, '13) Top 3 Countries: Thailand (544), Malaysia (503), China (436) Last 2013 Bird: New Zealand Falcon (#405, May 25) www.viatorphoto.com/wildlife_galleries/birds

Tuesday 20th October 2009, 12:05	#5
russkie Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: north east essex Posts: 607 My location	in Cambodia - person who told me is a high up birder of a local conservation NGO here- hes been birding here for donkeys years- says hes had them before.

Tuesday 20th October 2009, 12:24	#7
rockfowl Mark Andrews Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Leicester, UK Posts: 6,232	The Bushlark appears to be an Indochinese, which is much heavier streaked than Horsfield's. The Plover is difficult from this image, it looks very tapered and I can't really judge the bill length to rule out Long-billed which I think would be rare anyway and the habitat wouldn't be the favoured type so I'd suggest its a Little Ringed Plover. __________________ DigiPics & Artwork - http://www.smandrews.com Digivideos - http://www.youtube.com/user/rockfowlmarkandrews Support the Oriental Bird Club

Tuesday 20th October 2009, 12:45	#8
russkie Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: north east essex Posts: 607 My location	thanks for your help chaps- reliable as always- just happy to be out with my new dslr to replace the one Ive had to leave in UK- for the moment.

Wednesday 21st October 2009, 12:03	#9
Dong Bei Tom Join Date: May 2009 Location: Dalian, China Posts: 764 My location	I also vote for Indochinese. I have seen them on those same kind of cement posts that seem to be everywhere out of Phnom Penh in Cambodia. Little-ringed Plover is common there also. Where in Cambodia were you? Tom

Wednesday 21st October 2009, 23:54	#10
Hanno Ho Ho Ho Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Siem Reap, Cambodia Posts: 2,038 My location	I would go for Indochinese, too. As far as I know there is no record of Rufous-winged in Cambodia. I suspect the photo was taken around Phnom Penh as that is where russkie is based. Russkie, could you post larger pictures? The thumbnails are not very good for identifying anything, I am afraid. __________________ Hanno "Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time." Catherine Zandonella. Check out http://www.hannostamm.com/ for birding in Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, Mongolia, Bhutan, Taiwan, and Northern India.
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