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Old Monday 29th June 2009, 08:13   #1251
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Lovely birds, lovely sketches.

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Old Monday 29th June 2009, 09:35   #1252
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beautiful painting...i love the interaction in the painting....very nice
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Old Monday 29th June 2009, 17:24   #1253
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Old Monday 29th June 2009, 18:13   #1254
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Good call - love em.
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Old Monday 29th June 2009, 20:20   #1255
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That's a great idea!
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Still enjoying trying to get swallows to fly
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Old Thursday 2nd July 2009, 09:33   #1257
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Excellent Arthur! Very lively indeed.
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Old Thursday 2nd July 2009, 10:50   #1258
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They really are flying, aren't they? Lovely stuff.
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Arthur, I've been thinking a lot about this flying thing and how to represent it. so FWIW here are some things I'm musing over for creating images.

•Certain wing positions give a "flight" message more than others
•Hard lines and edges stop motion, conversely softened edges will recede, and even more softened edges will let the viewer imagine it moving. Blurred edges in the right places will suggest motion.
•Using lighter values where the motion is suggested, and darker ones where the eye is to focus will give the feeling of movement and more weightless mass to the eye. For example in the drawing above where the wings are outstretched, if the tips are lighter in value than the head, and the line is slightly softened there at the tips, the wings will suggest movements that the eye perceives to be flightlike, as this is how it sees in real life...

I know this kind of comment is not usual here, so if I'm out of line, let me know and I'll shut up. I come from a little different place, as my orientation is from a complex art background and art history study and only recently to birds. If you want to show the correct delineation and illustration of the bird itself, then my comments are not very useful for that.
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oh yes, these are good!
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Old Tuesday 7th July 2009, 11:18   #1261
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Hi Colleen, sorry i am late replying. Had to go to London for a few days.
I have been keeping up with your thread.You are asking us questions but your powers of observation are answering them all for you. Your evident skills are shining through and we are enjoying the trip with you.
Welcome to the changing shapes of birds because of how the feathers lay, catch the light and won't sit still for you.
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thank you Arthur, there is so much to know, and my skills are so far behind my vision of what I want to do, I get a little overwhelmed by it all. And I know the birds won't always be there to observe, so I feel the passing of time very much.
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Whew, what a tricky perspective, a well done and challenging composition, amazing!
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Really glad you did this one Arthur - it's worked out really well.
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Very nice mate, they make some lovely shapes don't they.

I've not seen any young 'uns getting fed this year they all seem to have leapt straight to flying. There's another brood in the car park toilets thought so maybe I'll get lucky with that lot.

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great picture - there's a gob and a half on that one!
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Don't be taking yer sketchbook or camera in there, will ya?!
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As long as you don't wear that long Mac. you bring to Norfolk for the summer weather Mike.
Iv'e been looking at the shapes of them feeding on the wing, just seems the parent bird trying to avoid a kamikazi aproach by the youngster begging.
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Iv'e been looking at the shapes of them feeding on the wing...
Your field work has paid dividends with these Arthur .. especially the with the last composition.
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you're going to enjoy that brickwork! This one already reminds me of barbecues in the summer at Seb's brother's house - looks just like this scene.
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Out through the toilet door! Just so.

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Unless this is a gardyloo or Gardrobe Mike. This door is about 15ft. up
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