[ammadoux]

Hello everybody

i always get visits of the Saxicola torquata felix at this time of the year, i don't think it is a migrant as it is an endemic to this region, but my sightings are always to the male, not very familiar with the female, so what you think.

thanks all.

[Jane Turner]

The upper tail coverts look promising. Was the rump pale. I'm only used to seeing fresh autumn birds, when the pale fringes to just about every feather are really distinctive.

[ammadoux]

thanks Jane.

Hello all again, can you give more help.

[ammadoux]

still no help , well maybe these two more shots can get an idea.

[Jane Turner]

I don't know felix at all. You can see enough of the tail (no white) to rule out variegata & armenica. I can't see the rump that clearly, but I'd expect torquata (and felix???) to be showing dark centres to the upper tail coverts.

As I said I'm most used to first winter maura-types - when they have pale fringes to everything, but that would be my best suggestion.

EDit: pic added

fresh
http://orientalbirdimages.org/search...ID=&pagesize=1

wearing to

http://orientalbirdimages.org/search...ID=&pagesize=1
http://orientalbirdimages.org/search...ID=&pagesize=1
http://orientalbirdimages.org/search...ID=&pagesize=1

[ammadoux]

hi Jane, torquata felix is a subspecies from the African one, it is called the Arabian stonechat, it is endemic to the west of the Arabian peninsula and Socotra. Alsirhan has a shot for it on Socotra but the male, i am more familiar with it.

http://www.alsirhan.com/Blog/?p=1246

thanks for the links, have to check carefully, and i got more shots , i will check them and if any get a better view i will post it, just give me one ot two hours.