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MarkHows · Thursday 1st April 2010, 22:04

Taken in Southern Spain, any thoughts on ID appreciated I do have some but don't want to influence others thoughts

Thanks

Mark

MarkHows · Thursday 1st April 2010, 22:08

And a couple more

Thanks

Mark

batdan · Friday 2nd April 2010, 21:28

Nice shots
bat2 and bat7 look like Schreibers' Bent-winged bats (Miniopterus schreibersii)
bat3 looks like one of the mouse eared (Myotis myotis or Myotis oxygnathus)
the others are a bit more of a challenge most look like Daubentons (Myotis daubentonii) but its difficult to tell and see any key features or size. The bat on the right of 'bat1' looks different but again can't see enough of it.

Cheers,
Daniel

Farnboro John · Friday 23rd April 2010, 09:49

In my opinion the bat on the right of bat 1 is a Daubenton's - ear length and shape look right - which leaves the dark grey top/pale underside bats to be resolved. They are of a size with Daubenton's or a bit bigger, if I am right about the first photo.

Whiskered (including Alcathoe's!) and Brandt's are out of range for this location annd anyway are smaller than Daubs.

I had a look at photos and descriptions in the Handbook and found a young Schreiber's that fitted pretty well. Nothing else looked remotely like.

'S not easy this.

John

Steve Babbs · Friday 23rd April 2010, 15:24

Possibly adding to the confusion, here are some photos I took. I presume at the same place - the tunnel at Andujar?

Steve Babbs · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 12:46

So Mark what are your thoughts? And John what about our two? I've spent a while looking at books and on the web and I'm totally out of my depth.

MarkHows · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Babbs

So Mark what are your thoughts? And John what about our two? I've spent a while looking at books and on the web and I'm totally out of my depth.

Steve,

The second one greater mouse eared, the first one daubentons?

I am touting my ones round some experts I will let you know how I get on.

Mark

Steve Babbs · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 18:21

Isn't this greater mouse-eared?

Steve Babbs · Tuesday 27th April 2010, 18:25

Now I come to look at them again, my latest picture could be the same as my second in the original post. It's probably just the angle making the ears look bigger. If it helps Mark, feel free to tout mine. I know why I've never real got into bats.

Steve Babbs · Saturday 8th May 2010, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkHows

Steve,

The second one greater mouse eared, the first one daubentons?

I am touting my ones round some experts I will let you know how I get on.

Mark

Any replies yet Mark?

MarkHows · Monday 10th May 2010, 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Babbs

Any replies yet Mark?

Still waiting I will let you know when I hear anything.

Mark

Acrocephalus · Tuesday 11th May 2010, 18:05

Hi,

Mark & Steve try this identification key and say if it works for your photos; as this guide contains some excellent photos in hand, it could be helpful. But you have to struggle with Latin names

.

Dietz C. & von Helversen O. 2004. Illustrated Identification key to the bats of Europe. Tuebingen & Erlangen (Germany)

Try this one if it happened that you took a picture of a bat in North Africa and does not appear in the key cited above.

Dietz C. 2005. Illustrated identification key to the bats of Egypt. Tuebingen (Germany)

Regards

Steve Babbs · Saturday 11th September 2010, 14:47

Did anyone ever get any where with any of these?

MarkHows · Sunday 12th September 2010, 18:51

Sorry forgot to follwo up with a post.

All the bats were either Greater Mouse eared, Daubentons or Schreibers bats

Mark

Steve Babbs · Sunday 12th September 2010, 18:56

So any thoughts whether my first one is Daubentons or Schreiber's?

MarkHows · Sunday 19th September 2010, 10:39

The concensus is Daubenton's

Mark

Steve Babbs · Sunday 31st October 2010, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkHows

The concensus is Daubenton's

Mark

****er that's a tick lost then!

MarkHows · Sunday 31st October 2010, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Babbs

****er that's a tick lost then!

Sorry!

Thursday 1st April 2010, 22:04	#1
MarkHows Seeking Non Natives Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nr Saffron Walden, Essex/Cambs/Suffolk Border Posts: 1,429	Bats in Southern Spain ID Taken in Southern Spain, any thoughts on ID appreciated I do have some but don't want to influence others thoughts Thanks Mark Attached Thumbnails __________________ My Website / Blog Last edited by MarkHows : Thursday 1st April 2010 at 22:13.
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Thursday 1st April 2010, 22:08	#2
MarkHows Seeking Non Natives Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nr Saffron Walden, Essex/Cambs/Suffolk Border Posts: 1,429	And a couple more Thanks Mark Attached Thumbnails __________________ My Website / Blog
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Friday 2nd April 2010, 21:28	#3
batdan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Somerset Posts: 35	Bats in Southern Spain ID Nice shots bat2 and bat7 look like Schreibers' Bent-winged bats (Miniopterus schreibersii) bat3 looks like one of the mouse eared (Myotis myotis or Myotis oxygnathus) the others are a bit more of a challenge most look like Daubentons (Myotis daubentonii) but its difficult to tell and see any key features or size. The bat on the right of 'bat1' looks different but again can't see enough of it. Cheers, Daniel

Friday 23rd April 2010, 15:24	#5
Steve Babbs Steve Babbs Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,384	bats Possibly adding to the confusion, here are some photos I took. I presume at the same place - the tunnel at Andujar? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Steve Please visit my new website (very much a work in progress) at www.stevebabbs.com

Tuesday 27th April 2010, 12:46	#6
Steve Babbs Steve Babbs Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,384	So Mark what are your thoughts? And John what about our two? I've spent a while looking at books and on the web and I'm totally out of my depth. __________________ Steve Please visit my new website (very much a work in progress) at www.stevebabbs.com

Friday 23rd April 2010, 09:49	#4
Farnboro John Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Farnborough Posts: 6,209	In my opinion the bat on the right of bat 1 is a Daubenton's - ear length and shape look right - which leaves the dark grey top/pale underside bats to be resolved. They are of a size with Daubenton's or a bit bigger, if I am right about the first photo. Whiskered (including Alcathoe's!) and Brandt's are out of range for this location annd anyway are smaller than Daubs. I had a look at photos and descriptions in the Handbook and found a young Schreiber's that fitted pretty well. Nothing else looked remotely like. 'S not easy this. John

Tuesday 27th April 2010, 18:21	#8
Steve Babbs Steve Babbs Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,384	Isn't this greater mouse-eared? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Steve Please visit my new website (very much a work in progress) at www.stevebabbs.com

Tuesday 27th April 2010, 18:25	#9
Steve Babbs Steve Babbs Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,384	Now I come to look at them again, my latest picture could be the same as my second in the original post. It's probably just the angle making the ears look bigger. If it helps Mark, feel free to tout mine. I know why I've never real got into bats. __________________ Steve Please visit my new website (very much a work in progress) at www.stevebabbs.com

Tuesday 11th May 2010, 18:05	#12
Acrocephalus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tétouan, Morocco Posts: 473 My location	ID keys of European and North African bats Hi, Mark & Steve try this identification key and say if it works for your photos; as this guide contains some excellent photos in hand, it could be helpful. But you have to struggle with Latin names . Dietz C. & von Helversen O. 2004. Illustrated Identification key to the bats of Europe. Tuebingen & Erlangen (Germany) Try this one if it happened that you took a picture of a bat in North Africa and does not appear in the key cited above. Dietz C. 2005. Illustrated identification key to the bats of Egypt. Tuebingen (Germany) Regards __________________ Mohamed http://moroccanbirds.blogspot.com/

Saturday 11th September 2010, 14:47	#13
Steve Babbs Steve Babbs Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,384	Did anyone ever get any where with any of these? __________________ Steve Please visit my new website (very much a work in progress) at www.stevebabbs.com

Sunday 12th September 2010, 18:51	#14
MarkHows Seeking Non Natives Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nr Saffron Walden, Essex/Cambs/Suffolk Border Posts: 1,429	Sorry forgot to follwo up with a post. All the bats were either Greater Mouse eared, Daubentons or Schreibers bats Mark __________________ My Website / Blog
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Sunday 12th September 2010, 18:56	#15
Steve Babbs Steve Babbs Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,384	So any thoughts whether my first one is Daubentons or Schreiber's? __________________ Steve Please visit my new website (very much a work in progress) at www.stevebabbs.com

Sunday 19th September 2010, 10:39	#16
MarkHows Seeking Non Natives Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nr Saffron Walden, Essex/Cambs/Suffolk Border Posts: 1,429	The concensus is Daubenton's Mark __________________ My Website / Blog
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