[Zheljko]

What was the origin of the name Booted Warbler? No, we haven't seen any, but are busy on preparing the list of Serbian names for a checklist.
So far we have two opinions: that it has something to do with scales on legs, and that it has something to do with feathers on the legs (such as in Rook or in Buteo lagopus).

[Zheljko]

I have another question:

How are these two names pronounced?
Is Dupont Dee-pon?
Is Rueppell a ree-pel or a roo-pel?

Our spelling is phonetic so we have to know how exactly are these names pronounced.

Thanks to everybody who answers!

[birdman]

I am unable to help you with the Booted Warbler, Zheljko, but I will try with the pronunciations.

In fact, you are just about right - certainly close enough... although I personally would say something closer to Doo-pon.

The "nt" of Dupont would be a French nasal sound that we don't really have in English, and the "ue" or sometimes "ü" of Rueppell is a German (I think) vowel sound, that again we do not have in English.

[Michael Frankis]

Hi Zheljko,

Booted Warbler in Latin is Hippolais caligata. The caliga was the lightweight Roman Army shoe / boot. Why it was given that name I don't know, but at least it gives you the originating item!

Now can someone give us a Kipling-style Just-so story on How the Booted Warbler got its name

Michael

[CJW]

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread....242#post172242

[robinm]

Chris. If you click on the links you have added you go round in circles until you disappear - well I won't say where.

[Joern Lehmhus]

Hi Zheljko,

The U in Duponts Lark is also pronounced like the german vowel Ü; the French in most cases pronounce the U as we do with the Ü

The UE in Rueppell´s is similarly pronounced, UE was sometimes used for Ü in German in former times.

I don´t know if this helps you, easiest would perhaps be to find someone who speaks german...

Hope that helps,
Jörn

[CJW]

Originally Posted by robinm

Chris. If you click on the links you have added you go round in circles until you disappear - well I won't say where.

Think about it, Robin.

[Darrell Clegg]

Michael is right - the caliga was a smooth Roman shoe or boot, and the scientific name calligata refers to the fact that the bird has smooth (or unscutellated to be technical) tarsi - hence Booted Warbler

Darrell

[birdman]

Sorry, Zheljko...

Just noticed I didn't answer your pronunciation request clearly! I would say Roo-pels, but as Joern says, for a better idea, try to find a German-speaker.

[mike coleman]

Originally Posted by Darrell Clegg

Michael is right - the caliga was a smooth Roman shoe or boot, and the scientific name calligata refers to the fact that the bird has smooth (or unscutellated to be technical) tarsi - hence Booted Warbler
Darrell

And there was me thinking that one was skulking in a bush once and somebody kicked the bush and this small bird came flying out............

[Bluetail]

"ee" or "oo"? More or less halfway between the two, I'd say.

Our French teacher told us that the way to pronounce the French "u" (as in Dupont) was to purse the lips as if to whistle and try saying "ee" (as in English "see") The German "ü" (as in "Rüppell") is a similar sound but somewhat rounder. If you know the International Phonetic Alphabet, I think the letters representing the two sounds are "y" (or maybe "y:") and "Y" respectively - but I may be wrong about that.

There's no way of representing this sound in ordinary English spelling. I guess the nearest approximation would probably be "iu".

[Henry B]

Originally Posted by robinm

Chris. If you click on the links you have added you go round in circles until you disappear - well I won't say where.

Thats what happened to the DoDo bird

[Rasmus Boegh]

Booted:

\Boot"ed\, a. 1. Wearing boots, especially boots with long tops, as for riding; as, a booted squire.

2. (Zo["o]l.) Having an undivided, horny, bootlike covering; -- said of the tarsus of some birds.

- a copy of one of the numerous explanations for the word, given on http://dictionary.reference.com/

[Cuckoo-shrike]

So here's the obvious follow-up:
Why is Booted Eagle Hieraaetus pennatus and not H.caligata?

[Cuckoo-shrike]

I've just found the answer to my own question. Pennatus means "winged, with feathers"!!! Ah, I see - so it is the Winged Eagle. Mmm, ok, I'll repeat the question, "WHY is called H. pennatus?????

[Darrell Clegg]

Thanks Andy that's just answered a question of mine - I often wondered by birds were called longipennis - well you would wouldn't you!!!


Darrell

[Joern Lehmhus]

I often wondered about that one-Doesn´t really make sense to call an eagle "winged"...

[Alastair Rae]

Originally Posted by Zheljko

I have another question:

How are these two names pronounced?
Is Dupont Dee-pon?
Is Rueppell a ree-pel or a roo-pel?

Our spelling is phonetic so we have to know how exactly are these names pronounced.

Your spelling might be phonetic but these are people's names. Surely you don't change their spelling?

[Rasmus Boegh]

Originally Posted by Alastair Rae

Your spelling might be phonetic but these are people's names. Surely you don't change their spelling?

I have to agree. I don't think it is possible (or fair) to change a name of a species that was named after a person (or locality for that matter)! The few exceptions obviously being names where there are local forms of the same name (i.e. Brasil in Portuguese, Brazil in English). I presume your name is Zheljko. I am not sure how it is prenounced, but still we wouldn't change the way of spelling it - otherwise it could end up Shjeliko! Only other place where you could justify modifying a name, is when it includes local letters (an example being the letters æ, ø and å that are found Danish) that are not found in "your" language.

So, it would be Rueppel's (or "Rüppel's" if you have that letter in your alfabet). Dupont's wouldn't change...

[Michael Frankis]

Originally Posted by Alastair Rae

Your spelling might be phonetic but these are people's names. Surely you don't change their spelling?

Donn't see why not - Zheljko (Желуко, I presume?) will be writing with the Cyrillic alphabet, so it would make good sense to transliterate it into a phonetic spelling.

Rüppel in Cyrillic would (I think!) be: Руппел

Michael

[Rasmus Boegh]

Originally Posted by Michael Frankis

Donn't see why not - Zheljko (Желуко, I presume?) will be writing with the Cyrillic alphabet, so it would make good sense to transliterate it into a phonetic spelling.

In that case, yes:

Originally Posted by Rasmus Boegh

Only other place where you could justify modifying a name, is when it includes local letters (an example being the letters æ, ø and å that are found Danish) that are not found in "your" language.

[birdman]

Let's not get too confused here, folks.

You seem to be making the assumption that Rueppel's Warbler and Dupont's Lark are so named in Serbian.

I don't know the Serbian name for these birds, but they may not contain the personal names. In fact, I believe I am right to say that Dupont's Lark is not even called Dupont's Lark in France!

[Michael Frankis]

Originally Posted by birdman

Let's not get too confused here, folks.

You seem to be making the assumption that Rueppel's Warbler and Dupont's Lark are so named in Serbian.

I don't know the Serbian name for these birds, but they may not contain the personal names. In fact, I believe I am right to say that Dupont's Lark is not even called Dupont's Lark in France!

Good point, though from the way the question is put, it would appear these birds don't have any name at all in Serbian, and that new names for them have to be coined.

For what it is worth, Dupont's Lark is Sirli de Dupont in French, so it does bear his name. I've got the names in Russian as well (in the European Breeding Bird Atlas) if they're any help, but typing Cyrillic is a tedious copy & paste job so won't add them unless asked

Michael

[birdman]

Originally Posted by Michael Frankis

For what it is worth, Dupont's Lark is Sirli de Dupont in French, so it does bear his name. I've got the names in Russian as well (in the European Breeding Bird Atlas) if they're any help, but typing Cyrillic is a tedious copy & paste job so won't add them unless asked

Michael

Actually, my list has it as Sirli ricoti, but I expect we merely have a disagreemnt over "upto date-ness".

If you wouldn't mind sending me the Russian Names, Michael (at your convenience).

I'm trying to compile as large a Russian List as I can, but all the website I can track down, as good as they are, seem to focus mainly on Russian Species.

Dupont's Lark and Ruppel's Warbler don't appear in http://www.apus.ru/site.xp/051054055124.html