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Old Thursday 9th June 2011, 17:14   #1
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Nikon Pro-Staff 7--Introduced.

They were officially introduced June 1st. 8 x 42 and 10 x 42.

They weigh 23.5 ounces. Have a narrow FOV and long eye relief and a long close focus.

Now, how much will they cost?

http://nikon.com/news/2011/0601_prostaff7_01.htm

Here is more:http://www.nikonbirding.com/products...ars/prostaff_7

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Bob for what it's worth the June/July issue of Outdoor Life picked the Nikon Pro-Staff 7 10x42 as a Great Buy. They say the one they got was a prototype. OL picked the Leupold BX-3 Mojave 10x42 as "Editor's Choice" with highest resolution score. The Zen-Ray ZRS 10x42 the tester's liked balance and compact size but were disappointed on optical performance.
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Ok, with just looking at the first link....

- What does the 7 stand for? 7 inches long?



- Same overall specs as the original Monarch (minus the length and weight)

My guess is they will sell at the $200 price point. Nikon had to react to all of the $200 and under roof prism binoculars that were phase coated and probably taking away from the Monarch sales. So, throw a new Monarch in there with dielectric coating (still doesn't compete with the Bushnell Legend Ultra because of the lack of ED glass) back at the $300 price point and now introduce a new model at the $200 price point.
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Don't know about the number 7. Maybe there are other models coming out with a different number?
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It is the binoculars designed for people who have a cyclic pattern that last 7 days. Also compatible with modernist who use Windows 7.
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Ok, with just looking at the first link....

- What does the 7 stand for? 7 inches long?



- Same overall specs as the original Monarch (minus the length and weight)

My guess is they will sell at the $200 price point. Nikon had to react to all of the $200 and under roof prism binoculars that were phase coated and probably taking away from the Monarch sales. So, throw a new Monarch in there with dielectric coating (still doesn't compete with the Bushnell Legend Ultra because of the lack of ED glass) back at the $300 price point and now introduce a new model at the $200 price point.


Frank D and others,

I hope everyone is well on here. Nikon will eventually use more number-coded systems to indicate upgrades and such. Just as we saw with the Fieldscope I, II, and III. I cannot comment accurately on the reason why 7 was the first number chosen, but we can expect to see the next upgraded version to have a higher number...8 or 9, for example. Again, I do not know every in and out with this system, but that is the overall gist of the idea.

Does that make sense? Take care!

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Mike,

Yes, it does. It makes it easier to make comparisons on when various upgrades were done to any given model. For those of us that spend a great deal of time familiarizing ourselves with the optics currently on the market it should make things much easier.


...and, of course, I hope you took my comment in the good-natured way it was intended. It does look like a long binocular though.
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Another plus it will have the Nikon USA 25-Year Limited Warranty. And that includes the
no-fault repair/replacement policy.

That is what helps me in making a decision on a binocular, and that is a great warranty.
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Frank D and others,

I hope everyone is well on here. Nikon will eventually use more number-coded systems to indicate upgrades and such. Just as we saw with the Fieldscope I, II, and III. I cannot comment accurately on the reason why 7 was the first number chosen, but we can expect to see the next upgraded version to have a higher number...8 or 9, for example. Again, I do not know every in and out with this system, but that is the overall gist of the idea.

Does that make sense? Take care!

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I got to honest with you, Mike, it doesn't make sense! The fieldsccopes numbering started from I, the new EDG is the EDG II, the successor to the Nikon "E" binoculars is the EII, the successor to the compact Nikon 8x23 Venturer was the Venturer II.

Clearly, starting with "7" must have some significance. The 8x42 is almost 7" long (6.8"), which has to be a record for this configuration in modern roofs. Or perhaps there are 7 pro staff members including yourself?

Seven is considered a Lucky Number, and it was also Mickey Mantle's number, which is retired from the Yankees. Historically, "7" has had cosmic and spiritual significance:

Seven colors in the spectrum.

Seven notes in the musical scale.

Seven features on the human head.

Seven vowels in the Greek alphabet.

The seventh day after birth the umbilical cord falls off.

Flowering plants of a pure strain have seven outside petals. The lotus is one such flower.

There are seven major chakras, or energy points, in the human body.

The ziggurat, or ladder to heaven, has seven steps.

In Babylonian, Judaic, and Christian genesis, the universe was created in seven days.

And let's not forget, there were seven dwarfs in "Snow White".

I was really puzzled by all this, so I downloaded the Nikon Prostaff 7 video to my recorder and accidentally played it backwards, and at the beginning of the video, I could hear the recording engineer whispering, "Number Seven, Number Seven, Number Seven."

I guess it was the seventh take. :-)

Well, whatever the reason, Good Luck! with your new product launch.

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I was really puzzled by all this, so I downloaded the Nikon Prostaff 7 video to my recorder and accidentally played it backwards, and at the beginning of the video, I could hear the recording engineer whispering, "Number Seven, Number Seven, Number Seven."

I guess it was the seventh take. :-)
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I got to honest with you, Mike, it doesn't make sense! The fieldsccopes numbering started from I, the new EDG is the EDG II, the successor to the Nikon "E" binoculars is the EII, the successor to the compact Nikon 8x23 Venturer was the Venturer II.

Clearly, starting with "7" must have some significance. The 8x42 is almost 7" long (6.8"), which has to be a record for this configuration in modern roofs. Or perhaps there are 7 pro staff members including yourself?

Seven is considered a Lucky Number, and it was also Mickey Mantle's number, which is retired from the Yankees. Historically, "7" has had cosmic and spiritual significance:

Seven colors in the spectrum.

Seven notes in the musical scale.

Seven features on the human head.

Seven vowels in the Greek alphabet.

The seventh day after birth the umbilical cord falls off.

Flowering plants of a pure strain have seven outside petals. The lotus is one such flower.

There are seven major chakras, or energy points, in the human body.

The ziggurat, or ladder to heaven, has seven steps.

In Babylonian, Judaic, and Christian genesis, the universe was created in seven days.

And let's not forget, there were seven dwarfs in "Snow White".

I was really puzzled by all this, so I downloaded the Nikon Prostaff 7 video to my recorder and accidentally played it backwards, and at the beginning of the video, I could hear the recording engineer whispering, "Number Seven, Number Seven, Number Seven."

I guess it was the seventh take. :-)

Well, whatever the reason, Good Luck! with your new product launch.

Brock
Brock,

LOL....thanks for the note. Yeah, I would agree that it is hard to say why 7 was the first one. I can honestly say "I don't know." Seven degrees of sepratation, right? If I stumble on anything else that might be note-worthy I will surely pass it along. Take care, everyone!

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Brock,

LOL....thanks for the note. Yeah, I would agree that it is hard to say why 7 was the first one. I can honestly say "I don't know." Seven degrees of sepratation, right? If I stumble on anything else that might be note-worthy I will surely pass it along. Take care, everyone!

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I tried it recently at the Fraser's Hill Bird Race and when I compared it with Nikon Monarch III, it seems the colour and fringing is well controlled with the Prostaff 7 ...
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I tried it recently at the Fraser's Hill Bird Race and when I compared it with Nikon Monarch III, it seems the colour and fringing is well controlled with the Prostaff 7 ...
But which one was better?
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I tried it recently at the Fraser's Hill Bird Race and when I compared it with Nikon Monarch III, it seems the colour and fringing is well controlled with the Prostaff 7 ...
That might have to do with the loooooong 7" focal length.

Which makes me wonder, will the next generation Prostaff be 8" long? he..he.he..he :-)

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But which one was better?
Prostaff more into bluish and Monarch III towards yellowish bias. Very hard to say which one better even though it was against the grey sky

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That might have to do with the loooooong 7" focal length.

Which makes me wonder, will the next generation Prostaff be 8" long? he..he.he..he :-)

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The long ergonomic of Prostaff makes it comfy on my hand plus a bit lighter
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Prostaff more into bluish and Monarch III towards yellowish bias. Very hard to say which one better even though it was against the grey sky



The long ergonomic of Prostaff makes it comfy on my hand plus a bit lighter
So those mint 8x32 HGLs didn't do it for you, horukuru? Was it because of the ergonomics? I couldn't hold them steady myself, too narrow for my hands and no thumb indents to support underneath. Contrast and color were superb. I think the 8x32 EDG 1 with its open bridge would have been the "bong," but due to quality control issues, I gave it the "gong".

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Cabela's new fall catalog lists the Prostaffs. 8 x 42 with 330' @1000yard FOV is 189.99. 10 x 42 with 314' FOV is 199.99. Camo edition of 10x is 219.99. No EDG's or Premiers listed.

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Bob:
Check the Cabelas website, both the Premier and EDG are listed there. I get the catalogs
also, and often there is not room to put all of the products in there.
The Swaro. CL, shows as in stock at Cabelas, the first of the retailers that shows them
available, as far as I know. So Swarovski must have started shipping them.

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So those mint 8x32 HGLs didn't do it for you, horukuru? Was it because of the ergonomics? I couldn't hold them steady myself, too narrow for my hands and no thumb indents to support underneath. Contrast and color were superb. I think the 8x32 EDG 1 with its open bridge would have been the "bong," but due to quality control issues, I gave it the "gong".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gong_Show

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I'm still using the 8x32 HG L because of the fast focus which I like and no problem with the ergonomic for me

I have spoken with Nikon Malaysia about 8x32 EDG for testing. Hope I can try it soon. For me the 8x42 EDG is still the best after my 8x32 SE. But I'm hoping for the 8x32 EDG will beat the 8x42 EDG for my needs

If I wanted to buy mid range binocular, I will mostly choose the Prostaff because of the ergonomic and also the color renditions. I used to have Monarch II and then tried the Monarch III for few hours. The dielectric coating gives a pleasant view of the III than the II.

But I will have another chance this coming 9th July to test it again before my talk about birding and digiscoping during the Sabah Forestry Open Day, they will officially launch the Prostaff series to the public hehehe.
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I'm still using the 8x32 HG L because of the fast focus which I like and no problem with the ergonomic for me

I have spoken with Nikon Malaysia about 8x32 EDG for testing. Hope I can try it soon. For me the 8x42 EDG is still the best after my 8x32 SE. But I'm hoping for the 8x32 EDG will beat the 8x42 EDG for my needs

If I wanted to buy mid range binocular, I will mostly choose the Prostaff because of the ergonomic and also the color renditions. I used to have Monarch II and then tried the Monarch III for few hours. The dielectric coating gives a pleasant view of the III than the II.

But I will have another chance this coming 9th July to test it again before my talk about birding and digiscoping during the Sabah Forestry Open Day, they will officially launch the Prostaff series to the public hehehe.
Okay, you're selling the 8x32 LXL to finance an 8x32 EDG. Well, that makes sense, moving on up to the east side, you finally got a piece of the pie.

http://www.popmodal.com/video/1348/T...ies-Theme-Song

Boy, they are sure are taking their time sending you an 8x32 EDG to try. Seems like I remember you talking about this a year ago.

Will it be the original 8x32 EDG I or the new EDG II? Well, it doesn't matter since if the LXL's ergonomics work for you, the EDG II should be no problem. And if you have mechanical issues with the EDG I's focuser or diopter, Nikon will send you an EDG II. Then you'll be moving on up to the penthouse or at least a dee-lux apartment with a penthouse price. :-)

I was planning to buy a Pentax 8x36 NV when Pentax had their rebates, but starting debating whether or not to try the Prostaff instead. Now I wish i had gone with the Pentax since I tried it and liked it (a birding bin in the hand is worth two on the 'Net). I don't like very many roofs, but I liked the NVs better than the uberoofs I tried.

Plus with the rebate, the Pentax would have cost only $120, about the price of a Schick Quattro shaver plus a six month's supply of blades. Unlike some Pentax 1-year warranty products, the NV comes with Pentax's Worry Free warranty. For buyers outside the US, that translates to: You buy 'em, we won't worry about 'em. :-)

Have fun on Sabah Forestry Open Day!

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I tried again for an hour the 8x42 Prostaff in the forest and the contrast reminds me of my 8x32 HG L hehehe which I like and the more I feel it on my hand the more I like about its ergonomic hehehe

It is also sharp throughout its FOV and the bluish colour give my eyes a pleasant view compared with the Monarch II and III
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Yesterday, I was able to handle a Prostaff 7, 10x42, in a large sporting goods store. This is
the first time I have found them on the shelf.

I found that I liked the nice light weight, the rubber armor is very good, with nice balance and
feel. I only had a quick look inside the store, and the view was very nice to the edges.

This is not really much of a review, as I did not have time to evaluate. I do think Nikon has
placed a nice choice in that under $200.00 market. If you are looking for something in this
area, I like the quality and handling, and I would recommend.

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Yesterday, I was able to handle a Prostaff 7, 10x42, in a large sporting goods store. This is
the first time I have found them on the shelf.

I found that I liked the nice light weight, the rubber armor is very good, with nice balance and
feel. I only had a quick look inside the store, and the view was very nice to the edges.

This is not really much of a review, as I did not have time to evaluate. I do think Nikon has
placed a nice choice in that under $200.00 market. If you are looking for something in this
area, I like the quality and handling, and I would recommend.

Jerry
Thanks for those comments, I've been wondering about how to spend that $10 Nikon coupon you sent me! However, I'm currently overstocked.com on 10x bins.

The 60* AFOV must seem nice on the tens, but the AFOV on the eights is only 50.4*. From past experience, that might seem claustrophobic. But then again, I tried the 8x36 Pentax NV, which has 6.5*, and there was almost no black space around the view. Go figure!

Not quite as "open" in the 6.5* 8x42 Celestron Regal though that bin had "barrel overlap" like a porro at close focus, which distracted me. But in general, I find the AFOV in roofs seems larger to my eyes than the same AFOV in porros. I know, I know, defies the laws of physics, but that's the ways I sees it.

Hopefully, our local sporstman's warehouse outlet will get a pair so I can "try before I buy". But they mostly carry tens.

Just dropped to 93* at 7:30 pm. What a scorcher!

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Brock:

I am thinking you have a room fan, along with the AC. Just be thankful you don't have
the rolling blackouts as some parts of the country.

This Nikon binocular is for more of a mid to upper level user. You are using one of the finest
10x42 binoculars, and that is the SE.

It seems a bit of a stray off of subject. If you visit an airport, you know what they do to
hijackers !

Keep your cool.

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