[osprey0311]

Hello!
Help, please, with ID :

[Jan-Paul Charteris]

Juv Lesser Black-backed (or one of that group)?

Jan

[phil baber]

What about juv/1st Winter Yellow-Legged Gull?

[Armin Kreusel]

Originally Posted by phil baber

What about juv/1st Winter Yellow-Legged Gull?

I think a juvenile/1st winter Herring Gull.

A Yellow-Legged Gull should have a brighter belly

[Jan-Paul Charteris]

Mind you the thumbnails seem to show blindingly obvious pale inner primaries, just don't seem so obvious when I open them... :) Gulls really aren't my forte!

[Jan-Paul Charteris]

I think if anything, given the range and the extent of the pale inner primaries that I'd go with Phil's suggestion of Yellow-legged rather than Herring, but looking forward to finding out what the concensus is as I really need to start paying a bit of attention to large gulls :)

[suthyyy]

Its hard to tell the size the bird from this photo but I personally would put this down as a lesser black backed gull too

[lou salomon]

it has the face of a dark caspian male. bill is best for this sp.
and it has venetian blind in inner primes.
underside is really (uniformly) dark for cachinnans but some juv can look unexpectedly dark. look on my website under 1st winter cachs. heuglini would be fresher, barabensis can be dark and is hard to be excluded but also hard to be proven. i tend to exclude barabensis on the tiny pale tongue on underside of p 10 which is a good pointer for cachinanns, rarely in other sp.
so, if not, cachinnans remains the default bird and first choice here. maybe more if i'm back from lanzarote.