[Simon Taylor]

Originally Posted by June Atkinson

Duly signed, but the annoying thing is that my husband can't register his vote as he has no email address.
It sounds as though they go by email addresses rather than individual signatures!
I'll distribute it to our Friends of Red Kites and ask our chairman if we can put a link on our website!!

He could set one up through Hotmail or similar then ignore the account exists

Just a suggestion

Hmm, now there's a thought - i could set up 100,000 e-mail addresses, job done.......

[DaveN]

I've signed it. Also put it on Twitter and Facebook so it should get more people signing.

[Simon Taylor]

Originally Posted by DaveN

I've signed it. Also put it on Twitter and Facebook so it should get more people signing.

I've resisted opening a facebook account to date as i hate the idea however i can see advantages where this sort of thing is concerned.

Maybe i'll re-think and open one up

[DaveN]

Originally Posted by Simon Taylor

I've resisted opening a facebook account to date as i hate the idea however i can see advantages where this sort of thing is concerned.

Maybe i'll re-think and open one up

I haven't got a facebook account either. It's the other half's Facebook account it's gone on

[Mike Price]

It's true the facebook and twitter response has been amazing, I hope its going to snowball but I guess nothing in life that matters is so easy so any ideas to further the cause will be greatly received.

[June Atkinson]

Using the Feedback I have sent a note about this - I find it frequently and feel it is unfair.

Originally Posted by Simon Taylor

He could set one up through Hotmail or similar then ignore the account exists

Just a suggestion

Hmm, now there's a thought - i could set up 100,000 e-mail addresses, job done.......

[Mono]

There is already a concept of “Vicarious Liability” in English common law, what is needed is for a test case to be brought in respect to raptor persecution and for that case to reach such a level where precedents can be set. The police wildlife crime units are not going to do that, they just want an easy prosecution of the junior gamekeeper that actually did the act. Some wildlife organisation needs to bring such as case and have the will and resources to follow it up the appeals chain.

[captaincarot]

Originally Posted by Simon Taylor

I've resisted opening a facebook account to date as i hate the idea however i can see advantages where this sort of thing is concerned.

Maybe i'll re-think and open one up

it's already on face book, that is actually where chrissy, the originator, first publicised it, through her owl sanctuary page. though some genious managed to get chris packham to re tweet it on twitter, which has no doubt helped in the publicity department, it's definitely worth anyone who already has a facebook or twitter account sharing it on their page.

i have been posting it daily on the rspb love nature facebook page, and today i saw it get posted by about 4 other people also, all we can do is to keep pushing it, until we achieve the target.

[Mike Price]

Originally Posted by captaincarot

it's already on face book, that is actually where chrissy, the originator, first publicised it, through her owl sanctuary page. though some genious managed to get chris packham to re tweet it on twitter, which has no doubt helped in the publicity department, it's definitely worth anyone who already has a facebook or twitter account sharing it on their page.

i have been posting it daily on the rspb love nature facebook page, and today i saw it get posted by about 4 other people also, all we can do is to keep pushing it, until we achieve the target.

I wouldn't claim to be a genius, but it was nice of Chris to give it a push, 2000 a week is going to be no easy feat but the support being shown in fantastic.

[captaincarot]

Originally Posted by Mike Price

I wouldn't claim to be a genius, but it was nice of Chris to give it a push, 2000 a week is going to be no easy feat but the support being shown in fantastic.

i was actually about to do the same thing with chris, when i saw that it had already been done.

i knew that once he saw it chris would give it a push from the comments he has made before, he's a firm believer that vicarious liability laws are essential in england if persecution is to be stopped

[stevo]

Originally Posted by Daniel Martin

sorted...........its on facebook now too...........

Me too.

[ceasar]

This is a Civil Tort isn't it? Who is the damaged party and who recovers the damages?

Aren't there Criminal Laws in Great Britain that address these actions?

Bob

[davercox]

No, it is not a tort, it is a criminal offence (or range of offences), for which currently the "servant" is prosecuted without causing any real deterrence to the relevant "master" (occupier of the land). As Mono said above, the concept of vicarious liability does exist in English law, but it is very hard to prove to judges' satisfaction. I am not sure this e-petition has its wording right, but the intention is clear enough.

[TerryL]

Not sure i agree with this precedent of vicarious liability.Easy to get round for a landowner,does a lot of damage to unions and protest groups and suchlike.

[Simon Wates]

Originally Posted by TerryL

Not sure i agree with this precedent of vicarious liability.Easy to get round for a landowner,does a lot of damage to unions and protest groups and suchlike.

Interesting....how is it easy, ie; what scenario could make it easy for a landowner to get around things if accused under vicarious liability?

[TerryL]

Originally Posted by Simon Wates

Interesting....how is it easy, ie; what scenario could make it easy for a landowner to get around things if accused under vicarious liability?

He/she'd make his employees self employed.

[Mike Price]

I don't want this thread to become a debate as it will spoilt it but I will share my thoughts on the subject.

It's not an ideal solution (for a start you have to catch someone and prove them guilty of the crime which is far from easy) but it might be a step in the right direction, further steps could possibly be needed but in myl opinion there needs to be some responsibility for landowners/agents etc when these type of crimes are committed, both to discourage this type of crime but equally it would offer some protection to their employees.

I also think that gaining support for these issues helps send the message to those that are acting illegally, that their continued actions are actually likely to harm them in the long run

[d.steeley]

I've signed.

Dave

[Raptor-man]

Nick knowles has re-tweeted, I know him through things an as he has nearly 30,000 followers maybe some might sign!

Keep spreading the word!

[Mike Price]

Originally Posted by Raptor-man

Keep spreading the word!

Excellent, thanks and to use your quote. Keep spreading the word

[ceasar]

Originally Posted by davercox

No, it is not a tort, it is a criminal offence (or range of offences), for which currently the "servant" is prosecuted without causing any real deterrence to the relevant "master" (occupier of the land). As Mono said above, the concept of vicarious liability does exist in English law, but it is very hard to prove to judges' satisfaction. I am not sure this e-petition has its wording right, but the intention is clear enough.

Sorry. I was asking about the concept of "Vicarious Liability." I know that the offenses are criminal. I was wondering why vicarious liability was needed if the land owners could be prosecuted as conspirators or as accessories before or after the fact?

Bob

[Mono]

I know the OP doesn't want a debate and I fully understand the urgent need for extra protection for supposedly protected animals but this is a petition calling for the introduction of a legal concept that already exists in English Law.

When it reaches its 100,000, the relevant committee is going to simply say this is calling for something that we have already... next please...

Sorry to seem to be putting a downer on things.

[Mworks]

Signed.

[Pigeon_Pete]

Great job, I have signed and passed petition on to the local raptor study group

[Mickr]

Originally Posted by June Atkinson

Duly signed, but the annoying thing is that my husband can't register his vote as he has no email address.
It sounds as though they go by email addresses rather than individual signatures!
I'll distribute it to our Friends of Red Kites and ask our chairman if we can put a link on our website!!

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