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Old Monday 13th February 2012, 18:51   #1
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Pipit from India

I saw this Pipit in Kanha Nationalpark, Madhya Pradesh in India on Feb 1st, 2012.

I am undecided between Olive-backed Pipit or Tree Pipit.

According to my Indian bird book, Olive-backed should be the more common in that area.

Thanks for the help,

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Old Monday 13th February 2012, 19:07   #2
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I'm no good when it comes to identifying pipits (other than the American Pipit), but shouldn't an Olive-backed Pipit be more green?
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Old Monday 13th February 2012, 19:12   #3
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well in my opinion the back is definitely too marked for an olive backed.
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Old Monday 13th February 2012, 20:01   #4
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Tree for me.
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Old Monday 13th February 2012, 20:02   #5
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Dont have any references to hand, but why not Tree Pipit?
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Old Monday 13th February 2012, 22:13   #6
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Tree pipit for me,because the streaking on the flanks thins out.Plus you can see the broken eye ring.

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Old Tuesday 14th February 2012, 07:54   #7
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Tree Pipit as the streaking on the back is too heavy for it to be Olive-backed Pipit.
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Old Tuesday 14th February 2012, 08:09   #8
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I felt that the markings behind the eye were more like Olive-backed, but I see the points mentioned. Especially the heavy markings on the back are good for Tree.

I will book it as a Tree Pipit, thanks all for your help.

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Old Tuesday 14th February 2012, 10:44   #9
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The white marking on the ear coverts can sometimes be present in Tree pipit, so this is not always a "good" feature, though it is usually much larger in OBP. The comments refering to the streaking on the mantle and underparts are probably more insightful for identification purposes.
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Old Tuesday 14th February 2012, 12:27   #10
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Actually the back streaking is not that relevant if it's nominate O-b Pipit, different from un-streaked yunnanensis we get in Europe. See;
http://orientalbirdimages.org/search...Family_ID=&p=3

However, i'm not sure what subspecies occur in India.
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Actually the back streaking is not that relevant if it's nominate O-b Pipit, different from un-streaked yunnanensis we get in Europe. See;
http://orientalbirdimages.org/search...Family_ID=&p=3

Surely that bird has not been correctly identified?
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Old Tuesday 14th February 2012, 13:57   #12
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If that is the same bird as in picture 2, I think it is a Rosy Pipit
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Old Tuesday 14th February 2012, 14:16   #13
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If that is the same bird as in picture 2, I think it is a Rosy Pipit
I guess you're right (and brief look at Pipits&Wagtails supports this), didn't look at pic 2 at first.

Anyway, there's two with rather streaky back (and even more streaked bird in Pipits&Wagtails pic 24):

http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?p=19&Bird_ID=2080&Bird_Family_ID=&pages ize=1

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Old Tuesday 14th February 2012, 16:45   #14
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Does this mean there is still a general consensus that Helge's photo is a Tree Pipit?
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makpe those two are faintly streaked.

re plate 24 - never seen one like that in the WP
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makpe those two are faintly streaked.

re plate 24 - never seen one like that in the WP
Oh yes, sorry about my bad English. I meant that they have lots of streaks on the mantle.

The subject bird looks like Tree Pipit for me too;
- broad streaking in breast not broad enough and there's no arrowheads often found from hodgsoni
- super is rather broad but all whitish
- streaks on mantle looks very broad
- "ear covert spots" are more Tree Pipit like
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