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Old Saturday 25th February 2012, 06:57   #1
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Great Reed Warbler

Mátrai, Bakonyi, Gyurácz, Hoffmann, Raijmakers, Neto & Mátics (in press). Do the European Great Reed Warblers (Acrocephalus arundinaceus) reach South Africa during wintering? J Ornithol. [abstract]


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Old Saturday 25th February 2012, 08:47   #2
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Lots of maybes and mights in that abstract...
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Old Saturday 25th February 2012, 10:25   #3
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Mátrai, Bakonyi, Gyurácz, Hoffmann, Raijmakers, Neto & Mátics (in press). Do the European Great Reed Warblers (Acrocephalus arundinaceus) reach South Africa during wintering? J Ornithol. [abstract]
A useful baseline work to which future studies of the poorly-studied Middle East populations (eg Syrian wetlands if that political crisis can be resolved) can refer.
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Old Tuesday 28th February 2012, 07:29   #4
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Great x Clamorous Reed Warbler hybridisation

Hansson, Tarka, Dawson & Horsburgh 2012. Hybridization but no evidence for backcrossing and introgression in a sympatric population of Great Reed Warblers and Clamorous Reed Warblers. PLoS ONE 7(2): e31667. [pdf]
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Hansson, Tarka, Dawson & Horsburgh 2012. Hybridization but no evidence for backcrossing and introgression in a sympatric population of Great Reed Warblers and Clamorous Reed Warblers. PLoS ONE 7(2): e31667. [pdf]
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An intriguing paper! Now, I wonder, first, what might transpire between sympatric populations of GRW (any taxon) and ClamorousRW taxon A.s. stentoreus, and second, where GRW does not occur, across the extent of the CRW stentoreus/brunnescens shared distribution (cline/stabilised hybrid zone - take your pick)?
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Great x Eurasian Reed Warbler hybridisation

Ion, Bolboaca, Ciorpac, Stefan & Gorgan (in press). A Great Reed Warbler × Reed Warbler hybrid (Acrocephalus arundinaceus × Acrocephalus scirpaceus) in northeastern Romania. J Ornithol. [abstract]
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Ion, Bolboaca, Ciorpac, Stefan & Gorgan (in press). A Great Reed Warbler × Reed Warbler hybrid (Acrocephalus arundinaceus × Acrocephalus scirpaceus) in northeastern Romania. J Ornithol. [abstract]
Richard,
I've seen very occasionally around the Neusiedlersee reedbeds (which I've visited many times, the next in May) and once at Hortobagy fishponds intermediate-sized 'reed' warblers. Only one I heard sing - it sounded like a GRW on a bad day. After a few days, a full-size GRW seemed to have taken over that territory.

Now to speculate. If any of the anomalous birds were hybrids, then I suggest that males would be outcompeted by both species on song when trying to attract females, outcompeted physically by GRW males for territory, outnumbered hugely by males of both species (territory size can be astonishingly small in prime habitat) and therefore unlikely to add successfully to the gene pool. That's begging the question as to whether hybrids are first/second generation fertile, of course.
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Only one I heard sing - it sounded like a GRW on a bad day.
Mike, the 'song' of Great Reed Warbler is hardly musical on a good day!
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Mike, the 'song' of Great Reed Warbler is hardly musical on a good day!
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Don't I feed you the best lines!
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PS The odd call perhaps is better described as an inauthentic 'Gurk!'.
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