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Old Saturday 8th September 2012, 21:55   #1
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Semi-P Sandpiper? SW Scotland

Found this bird at high tide this evening at The Wig, Loch Ryan among Dunlin & Ringed Plover. Wasn't 100% sure while watching it but having reviewed my images it obviously has webbing between toes.

Am I right in thinking its a Semi-P Sandpiper? (rather than Western...)

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Old Saturday 8th September 2012, 22:09   #2
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I don't have runs on the board with this species, but it looks very good for semipalmated when comparing with pics in "the shorebird guide" (O'Brien, et al).

Surely the webbing between the middle and outer toes is the clincher Gavin. I was only thinking yesterday - good luck with getting a photo that shows the webbing in the feet clearly - great work.

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Old Saturday 8th September 2012, 22:30   #3
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This looks like a classic juv.Semi-P Sandpiper and an excellent shot BTW.

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Old Sunday 9th September 2012, 08:54   #4
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Well done Gav - looks fine for a juvenile Semi-P.
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Old Sunday 9th September 2012, 09:48   #6
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Nice one!
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Old Sunday 9th September 2012, 13:27   #7
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Thanks for all your comments and confirmation of ID. Just glad it showed so well!!

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Old Sunday 9th September 2012, 14:36   #9
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and light in the anchor department, but no doubting what it is.
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Old Sunday 9th September 2012, 14:58   #10
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and light in the anchor department, but no doubting what it is.
Indeed Jane....but as you say....no doubting its identity...!

I cannot say that i've seen a photo of a similarly plumaged bird...[perhaps i haven't looked hard enough]...

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Old Sunday 9th September 2012, 15:12   #11
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Without the palmations you'd be left clinging to an intriguing dull stint.

Compare to this
http://www.birdforum.net/attachment....1&d=1347136666
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Old Sunday 9th September 2012, 15:35   #12
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Someone has to say it, are we sure it isn't a western? Not too long in the bill,(not too short either) but if I'd have found it I would have been rather worried by the brightish upperparts. Some quiet bright rufous in the scaps. Really not the dull monotone expected from the usual juv semi-p's. Ive no experience of Western, just doesn't look classic semi-p to my eye.
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Old Sunday 9th September 2012, 16:29   #13
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Here is the dullest male Western that I can find and the brightest juv Semi P
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Without the palmations you'd be left clinging to an intriguing dull stint.

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Just what i was thinking....

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Out of interest Gavin...have you got a few more pix you could post of this bird...?

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And also out of interest: what first attracted your attention to this bird?

It is really not an easy individual, perhaps a shade duller than an average juv Little stint but it even shows a hint of a split supercilium (though again perhaps slightly less obvious than on an average juv Little).

Well done on getting those toes shots!!
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Thanks for everyone's comments.

Ive got quite a few photos from various angles (Ive attached 3 more). Is there a particular feature/angle you would like to see?

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Thanks Tib78, to be honest I had it down as a Little Stint for quite a while but the lack of obvious white stripes (V's) on it's back got me wondering if it could be something else. I had also seen a juv Little Stint about a week ago and there just seemed to be something different about this one (not experienced with little waders).

Tried looking for webbing using scope/binoculars but I couldn't decide if I was seeing any or not.

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Thanks for posting extra pix Gavin...i just wanted to see both sides of bird to check out scaps.....!

Quite abraded faded and as Jane says..."light in the anchor department"...

ps...more pix the merrier...any back on views...?

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Interesting bird. Could the scaps have been even brighter when the feathers were not abraded? As Gavin says, very much like little stint and easily overlooked. Top marks for sticking with it and getting the shots.
Hopefully some comment from regular observers over the pond?
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If not for the palmations it would be a is it isn't RN stint type thing.
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Here's another 3 shots, the light was awful so a lot of my shots are blurry but thankfully got enough good ones (better than my commoner wader photos!).

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If not for the palmations it would be a is it isn't RN stint type thing.
A curious bird....and one for 'the books' re plumage....unless someone can find photos of a similar looking bird....

Take away the palmations and what would most folk think about its identity....?

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Without palmations I'd be floundering big time... prob be trying for RN stint and failing!
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Little stint first, then noting lack of tramlines think about red-necked stint, then see the palmations and think of western sand. Presuming off course size was clear from the outset. Stick with it Gavin, did you look for it today? though the shots you have should be good enough for ID. The only shot you have posted that looks like semi p for me is the middle shot of the last set where the bird is showing the mantle. Still not shouting SP to me though.
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