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Hi Rich,
Don't forget that just like in normal photography, the lower the amount of zoom, the more light can enter the camera, hence the wider the aperture. At longer zoom lengths the aperture is narrower, hence the setting at low zoom may be F2,8, but at longer zoom lenghts it may be F4,5. Even on manual settings you won't be able to open up the lens wider at longer zoom lengths. That is just the way the lens is constructed. Even in SLR photgraphy a 70-210 lens will have a max aperture of F3,5 at 70mm but up to F5,6 at 210 or even worse. Physics v lens quality/design I'm afraid. I leave my camera on Exposure setting 3, which takes care of most things. If the lighting is wrong then I use the EV compensation. Most critical I find is getting the focus spot on. Still difficult at times, unless the bird is very patient.
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Not too sure Rich, I'm sure that you're aware that the minimum f# goes up as you zoom in with the camera (although a number of 35mm zoom lenses offer fixed aperture throughout their range these days).
Maybe you're accidentally knocking the rotary dial and nudging the f# up.... in full manual I leave the shutter-speed as the active setting. BTW, I think the ev control only adjusts what it can (f# or shutter-speed)..... if you're at the fastest shutter-speed with the lowest f#, ev+ won't do anything. Andy
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Anby B,watch this space,i am printing off the 16 pages,
Christine. Ian F superb shots,how far away were you when they were taken?. |
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Thanks for the praise
The first two were a around 120 yards though the Pochard was more like 175 yards. These were amongst my first attempts at digiscoping in what were just about perfect conditions - calm conditions and bright afternoon sunshine from behind me.
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Nice shots Ian.
I found my best results with the Nikon 4500 and Kowa 823M were when I set the in camera "Sharpening" to OFF. Do others find this? Bob Miller of Southwest Birders showed me that. Up to then my results were very poor. Turning the in camera sharpening to off improved things a great deal. Chris. Spratt
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I assume you are asking about the ten seconds down to three seconds so that you can get a quicker picture without camera vibration? If this is the cas eI can highly recommend the Jessops wing bracket (I think it was about £13) it fixes to the tripod screw hole on the bottom of the camera and then you position the top above the shutter release. This allows you to use a traditional camera cable release without the need for expensive Nikon electronic accessories, and it works a treat. You can fire off shots one after the other without camera shake or the three second delay. I use it on my Nikon 4500 and can recommend it. Dave |
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Yes, I find the same. I find vitually every shot does need sharpening to some degree, but I do this in the the processing stage sing either PSP or Thumbsplus. Dave, I agree entirely. I found my results were much improved consistency wise once I started using the Jessops release. It's even better if you trim the base of the bracket off as it means you don't have to remove it to rotate the camera or replace the batteries and it fits snugly in the camera bag !
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Not sure if I have a differently designed Jessops release bracket. I have trimmed the bracket but its the large securing screw that blocks the battery compartment, I am trying to find a smaller screw, but have not had any luck so far.
Any suggestions? BTW, not sure what I was doing but the F-stop issue seems to have sorted itself out.!! Is ‘Sharpening off’ the default setting, I can’t say I have looked? Rich |
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I seem to remember that the sharpening setting default is 'off'. I did experiment with using it, but I prefer not to use it nowadays.
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While we on about cable-release brackets.. just about to upload a mini review (there's only so much you can say about them!) of the new eagleeye generic bracket.
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This may be in the wrong thread ,but as everyone is discussing digi scoping settings etc,it may be spotted by someone with same problem.has anyone else found that when the camera is on the scope,and you have the picture in the centre,having had to adjust the scope a little,as it may have slightly moved out of view,when the camera is attached,and then when you leave go of the tripod handle,the camera then tends to drop and the picture moves.I tighten the tripod handle really well,and I have even tried using the correct adapter for scope and still it happens.I leave go of everything to use the remote,so as to avoid camera shake(as recommended,)but it tends to defeat the object if the camera tends to drop slightly.
Scope used is swarovski,camera c4500,and tripod is velbon sherpa 10000. Any ideas gratefully received,unless of course i am the only one who has this problem due to incompetence!!! Christine. |
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Don’t worry Christine I think you will find we all have this problem to an extent, it depends on the camera i.e. the 995 is heavier that the 4500 so the ‘drop back’ is less.
It depends a little on the tripod, but if you are moving the set-up around and adjusting your position only with the handle, but with a very light touch you may find that when you lock it the position is correct. Alternatively it may be something you will just get used to and account for after a while. By which I mean framing the picture slightly off centre and letting it fall into position, I know I do this and don’t really think about it now. Rich |
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Hi Christine
I think the problem youre having has happened to us all at some stage.Having the camera attached to the scope can make the set-up back heavy.Two suggestions if your scope mounting plate allows it then try mounting the scope slightly further forward,to compensate for the weight.The other one is to aligned the scope slightly above the subject tighten the head(not fully) take your hands away & let the scope dip slightly so it lines up with the subject then fully tighten the head up.One other way is if you have a battery pack then try mounting it(velcro, elastic band) to the underside of the end of the scope this can act as a counter balance.Hope this helps. Regards Stevo. |
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thanks Stevo and Richard,will persevere,it is just annoying,that a soon as one has the object in focus it moves.Especially with birds it is difficult enough trying to catch them in one position then by the time was has re-arranged,the've flown off again,or swum away.Such is life!!!
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Christine,
It sounds like both your pan and tilt action is controlled by the one handle. My first tripod, a Velbon, did this and I found it annoying that this did not provide a rigid lock. Also the very act of tightening the handle moved the field of view. This was a problem even when using only the scope without the camera attached. I now have a Manfrotto tripod where the pan and tilt are controlled independently by two very strong screws. The handle is merely to move the head around. I find this tripod very easy to use and the scope does not move as the screws are tightened.
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Thank you so very much for taking the time to post this article. It's midnight in my part of the world and I can hardly wait for the sunrise to apply this new found knowledge. What would us newbee's do without you. Warmest regards, Mickey Jay |
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Mickey ,without this Forum and the help we receive esp re digiscoping I think there would not be as many people using this method of photography with the success they have.I do not know of your whereabouts,as to whether or not you live in a small village off the beaten track,but I do here in Cumbria.The nearest place which sells a digi camera is 30 mls away.May not seem far,but to get there ,one has to drive on one of the most dangerous roads in the country.So this Forum has taught me all I need to know re digiscoping,ie camera settings etc.I do not have access to a camera club,I have never seen anyone else digiscoping in the village,even at peak holiday times,when the place is full of holidaymakers all wearing digicameras hung around their necks.So again my only place of contact has been this Forum.
So,yes Mickey,we have a great deal thank BF for ,and everyone who gives their time to help and advise. |
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Christine,I got a Manfrotto sliding plate to mount my Swaro on,this means you can slide the scope backwards or forwards thus altering the point of balance and I have found this most handy.Price around £30 from Jessops.
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Andy, Tried the settings at the weekend, with a DTL opticron eyepiece purchased from Rogerscoth on Fri. with my I Magic 80. 1st impressions where very good, by far better than any previous outings, though the Low Contrast didn't work for me, better on normal. Hope I'll have the courage to post one of my photo's in the future.
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1. Full Manual: You choose shutter-speed and aperture value....you can judge if the photo will be over/under exposed by the linear exposure meter. Question: Where on earth do I find the linear exposure meter? AF Area Mode: This refers to the Nikon AF zone system that presents five focus targets that you can choose from, in auto the camera will focus on the zone that has an object closest to the camera... in manual you can choose which zone the camera will focus on (via the mini joystick). Where is the mini joystick? 2. A big problem seems to be lining up camera and scope using this adapter. Question: When everthing is in alignment and I'm trying to focus using the scope (camera in macro mode) should I be seing the image as a circle in the middle of the monitor, or full sceen as if the scope were not there.? The circle I'm getting is so small I can't begin to focus. TIA Craig ![]() |
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Hi Craig.
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I would strongly suggest using Aperture priority instead of full manual, just keep the f-number as low as it can go. Quote:
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If, for some reason, you cannot get an image large enough to ascertain correct focus, you can try using the digital zoom feature of the camera (keep pressing the zoom + control until the zoom indicator turns yellow), fine tune the focus like this and then zoom back into normal (non-digital zoom) to take the shot. Using the extend-a-view pro monitor shade/magnifier would also help enlarge the image view for fine focus. cheers, Andy
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Camera, adapter help
Andy,
Really impressed with how giving you are to all of us who are new to scoping. Thank you for all of your posts and for your wonderful webpages. Being new to digiscoping, I am struggling, like many others that are new to this endeavor, to find the right camera, scope, adapter, etc. I just bought the Pentax 80ed-a which included their zoom eyepiece to use with my Canon G2. Given what you have written elsewhere about both zoom eyepieces and digiscoping with the Canon G series I was not real surprised to find that I had real problems with vignetting. Less problems when I use the Scopetronix Maxview 40 for the Pentax scope but still some even when I zoom all the way out. So I have come to the conclusion that the Canon G2 is the culprit and probably needs to be replaced. Thus my question, given the age of the Nikon 995 or even the 4500, is this still the route you would take or would you recommend a newer model? If so, which one? In addition, since all of this depends on finding the right adapter, which adapter would you recommend for whatever camera you pick. Thanks again.
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Great source for anyone new to digiscoping as I am. I have been watching birds for years but have never attempted to photograph them using a spotting scope. It offers a great opportunity to quickly obtain fine pictures at a fraction of the cost if one were using the traditional long lenses.
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