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**IanF** · Sunday 14th November 2004, 15:33

Simonph has posted this Gallery photo asking for some ID help and I know that not everyone has time to view the Gallery every visit.

It's some sort of Buzzard seen in Dubai.

http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/...hp/photo/37784 and http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/...hp/photo/37783

Steve Lister · Sunday 14th November 2004, 17:41

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Originally Posted by IanF

Simonph has posted this Gallery photo asking for some ID help and I know that not everyone has time to view the Gallery every visit.

It's some sort of Buzzard seen in Dubai.

Surely the two shots show different birds? The perched one looks fine for a Long-legged, and structuarally so does the dark bird.

Steve

Simonph · Sunday 14th November 2004, 19:17

Hi Steve - yes they are two different birds. Just wondering if this is a dark phase and a light phase of the same species hunting the same patch...
thanks.

Jane Turner · Monday 15th November 2004, 06:58

The perched bird looks great for LLB. I'd like to make sure that the bird in the air isn't a Steppe Buzzard though....it didn't shout long-winged in the picture and I can't recall plumage features.. need a book!

Jane Turner · Monday 15th November 2004, 08:02

Had a read and it didn't help much! One worrying feature for LLB is the trailing edge of the wing .. it should be much the strongest bar.... however I can only do these things when they are flying.... as in moving, never from stills. and I've just read about a smaller, more common Buzz-like race of LLB in Sinai... so I officially give up!

Tom c · Monday 15th November 2004, 14:08

The first bird does look very good for LLB in my opinion, 2nd one bit difficult saw quite a few borderline birds in Greece this summer. Steppe Buzzard does show alot of variation as common Buzz, think ill leave it to the experts.

Gashead · Monday 15th November 2004, 14:54

We're not really on the Steppe migration route acc. to the bird reports but 1-6 have occured every year usually singles. The perched bird is a sure fire LLB.

Simonph · Tuesday 16th November 2004, 10:24

Thanks for all of your comments - sure thing that dark brown buzzard/eagle sized birds on a migratory path are very hard to ID!

Sunday 14th November 2004, 15:33	#1
IanF Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Billingham, NE England Posts: 55,451 My location	Anyone help with this ID? Simonph has posted this Gallery photo asking for some ID help and I know that not everyone has time to view the Gallery every visit. It's some sort of Buzzard seen in Dubai. http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/...hp/photo/37784 and http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/...hp/photo/37783 __________________ Durham Bird Club -Teesmouth Bird Club---RSPB Saltholme---Durham Birding---Local patch - Cowpen Bewley Woodland Park Last edited by IanF : Sunday 14th November 2004 at 15:36.
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Sunday 14th November 2004, 19:17	#3
Simonph Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 149	Hi Steve - yes they are two different birds. Just wondering if this is a dark phase and a light phase of the same species hunting the same patch... thanks. __________________ Practice makes perfect....

Monday 15th November 2004, 06:58	#4
Jane Turner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hoylake, Merseyside Posts: 19,580 My location	The perched bird looks great for LLB. I'd like to make sure that the bird in the air isn't a Steppe Buzzard though....it didn't shout long-winged in the picture and I can't recall plumage features.. need a book! __________________ If I'm not online I'm probably here! Last Cheshire Lesser Scaup (301) last Red Rocks Cetti's Warbler (249), last Garden Avocet (202), last Self-found Great White Egret (293)
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Monday 15th November 2004, 08:02	#5
Jane Turner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hoylake, Merseyside Posts: 19,580 My location	Had a read and it didn't help much! One worrying feature for LLB is the trailing edge of the wing .. it should be much the strongest bar.... however I can only do these things when they are flying.... as in moving, never from stills. and I've just read about a smaller, more common Buzz-like race of LLB in Sinai... so I officially give up! __________________ If I'm not online I'm probably here! Last Cheshire Lesser Scaup (301) last Red Rocks Cetti's Warbler (249), last Garden Avocet (202), last Self-found Great White Egret (293)
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Monday 15th November 2004, 14:08	#6
Tom c Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: monmouth, Posts: 53	The first bird does look very good for LLB in my opinion, 2nd one bit difficult saw quite a few borderline birds in Greece this summer. Steppe Buzzard does show alot of variation as common Buzz, think ill leave it to the experts.

Monday 15th November 2004, 14:54	#7
Gashead Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Surrey Posts: 845	We're not really on the Steppe migration route acc. to the bird reports but 1-6 have occured every year usually singles. The perched bird is a sure fire LLB.

Tuesday 16th November 2004, 10:24	#8
Simonph Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 149	Thanks for all of your comments - sure thing that dark brown buzzard/eagle sized birds on a migratory path are very hard to ID!

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