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Jim · Monday 10th February 2003, 22:14

Need some with an ID on these. They are the about the same size and shape as a Canada Goose but with different markings.

My Audobon book wasn't any help

Thanks

T0ny · Monday 10th February 2003, 22:19

They look as though they could be Canada Goose x Barnacle Goose hybrids - anyone else agree ?

Tony

bcurrie · Monday 10th February 2003, 23:34

I would agree with TOny. They appear to be hybrids, certainly not a North American Goose. His explanation is better than anything I can think of.

oldsquaw · Tuesday 11th February 2003, 02:33

With the stripes on the neck, looks like possible Canada/Graylag. Not sure why white on face though.

T0ny · Tuesday 11th February 2003, 12:12

It was the white on the face that made me think of Barnacle. Don't know if 'black' & 'grey' geese hybridise together.

Tony

Eddie · Tuesday 11th February 2003, 14:52

'Black' and 'Grey' geese do hybridise but in this case I would think that, as with the concensus, they are Canada/Barnacle hybrids.

Eddie

Darrell Clegg · Tuesday 11th February 2003, 19:21

I think that they're probably Canada X Farmyard Greylag. They do hybridise and it would explain why the large amount of white on the head. The black neck, head shape, and back/flank colour are right for Canada, whereas the neck markings and the upturned tail indicate a Greylag parentage.

T0ny · Tuesday 11th February 2003, 19:53

Cheers Darrell

Gecsos · Tuesday 11th February 2003, 21:26

Another thing problematic with this bird being a canXbarn is that there are no breeding populations of wild Barnacle Goose in the US. They are also rarely encountered as captive birds.

I vote Canada X "farm goose"

I doubt it was a pure Can X Graylag because then it would show slightly mottled bill, white flank line, etc.

~GECSOS

Colin · Tuesday 11th February 2003, 21:33

The hybrids of Canada/Greylag that I have seen in the UK produce something like a Canada but with the white bits, such as the chin strap, being a dusky buffy brown and thus the nice crisp black and white contrast is not there. However I don't know if the male and female differences, i.e. male Canada and female Greylag or male Greylag and female Canada, produce differing hybrid pattern markings. So in summary, I am not much help, but there is something else to think about. One thing is certain, I believe that they are truly hybrids!

Colin

Monday 10th February 2003, 22:14	#1
Jim Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Cameron Park, CA Posts: 8	ID Help Need some with an ID on these. They are the about the same size and shape as a Canada Goose but with different markings. My Audobon book wasn't any help Thanks Attached Thumbnails

Monday 10th February 2003, 22:19	#2
T0ny Okillre Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Paston, Norfolk, UK Posts: 1,091	They look as though they could be Canada Goose x Barnacle Goose hybrids - anyone else agree ? Tony __________________ When in Danger or in Doubt - Run in circles, scream and shout.

Monday 10th February 2003, 23:34	#3
bcurrie Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 979	I would agree with TOny. They appear to be hybrids, certainly not a North American Goose. His explanation is better than anything I can think of. __________________ Brian

Tuesday 11th February 2003, 02:33	#4
oldsquaw Old Tooter Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Posts: 195 My location	With the stripes on the neck, looks like possible Canada/Graylag. Not sure why white on face though. __________________ Van:

Tuesday 11th February 2003, 12:12	#5
T0ny Okillre Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Paston, Norfolk, UK Posts: 1,091	It was the white on the face that made me think of Barnacle. Don't know if 'black' & 'grey' geese hybridise together. Tony __________________ When in Danger or in Doubt - Run in circles, scream and shout.

Tuesday 11th February 2003, 14:52	#6
Eddie Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 84	'Black' and 'Grey' geese do hybridise but in this case I would think that, as with the concensus, they are Canada/Barnacle hybrids. Eddie

Tuesday 11th February 2003, 19:21	#7
Darrell Clegg Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,364	I think that they're probably Canada X Farmyard Greylag. They do hybridise and it would explain why the large amount of white on the head. The black neck, head shape, and back/flank colour are right for Canada, whereas the neck markings and the upturned tail indicate a Greylag parentage. __________________ http://www.adventuresinanemptycorner.blogspot.com/

Tuesday 11th February 2003, 19:53	#8
T0ny Okillre Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Paston, Norfolk, UK Posts: 1,091	Cheers Darrell __________________ When in Danger or in Doubt - Run in circles, scream and shout.

Tuesday 11th February 2003, 21:26	#9
Gecsos Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 22	Another thing problematic with this bird being a canXbarn is that there are no breeding populations of wild Barnacle Goose in the US. They are also rarely encountered as captive birds. I vote Canada X "farm goose" I doubt it was a pure Can X Graylag because then it would show slightly mottled bill, white flank line, etc. ~GECSOS

Tuesday 11th February 2003, 21:33	#10
Colin Axeman (Retired) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a Shed in a Quarry in Gloucestershire (UK) Posts: 2,289 Blog Entries: 29	The hybrids of Canada/Greylag that I have seen in the UK produce something like a Canada but with the white bits, such as the chin strap, being a dusky buffy brown and thus the nice crisp black and white contrast is not there. However I don't know if the male and female differences, i.e. male Canada and female Greylag or male Greylag and female Canada, produce differing hybrid pattern markings. So in summary, I am not much help, but there is something else to think about. One thing is certain, I believe that they are truly hybrids! Colin __________________ *Colin*
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