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Old Tuesday 7th November 2017, 16:38   #3076
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Ok, makes sense now ... thanks. This is why I could never be an engineer
This stuff just doesn't come to me naturally.

Totally get it now that you need to have the least amount of stress on your shoulders and back esp with shoulder issues you mentioned here.

My shoulders burn if I hold my binocular up for long. I've had shoulder issues for years now and last year my L shoulder was frozen (had physical therapy).

Not sure how I would do with the SF over of hours usage. Even when I hold a hair dryer up for too long or change shower curtain, etc my shoulders begin to burn real bad.

Someday down the road I'll most likely need to use a lighter binocular as my primary and use the heavier 7x42 as backup. Right now I'm doing ok with it, but I do have soreness
after a few hours+ in the field.
Gigi have you seen the BinoPOD

A modular binocular harness and pack system that integrates the WORLD's FIRST hands-free glassing system!

Glass for hours without fatigue.

Holds image steady, eliminates effects of shaky hands.

Extreme Comfort fully adjustable 4-point harness won't stretch or slip.

http://www.fieldopticsresearch.com/s...k-sku-H002.htm
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Old Tuesday 7th November 2017, 16:44   #3077
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Ok, makes sense now ... thanks. This is why I could never be an engineer
This stuff just doesn't come to me naturally.

Totally get it now that you need to have the least amount of stress on your shoulders and back esp with shoulder issues you mentioned here.

My shoulders burn if I hold my binocular up for long. I've had shoulder issues for years now and last year my L shoulder was frozen (had physical therapy).

Not sure how I would do with the SF over of hours usage. Even when I hold a hair dryer up for too long or change shower curtain, etc my shoulders begin to burn real bad.

Someday down the road I'll most likely need to use a lighter binocular as my primary and use the heavier 7x42 as backup. Right now I'm doing ok with it, but I do have soreness
after a few hours+ in the field.
GiGi, the SF does have a slight rearward weight bias, so especially if the eye cups rest firmishly against the eye sockets/brow it can take some load off the shoulders. The shoulders are relatively small muscles, and this helps share the load with larger muscles like the chest. I don't like too firm a pressure since I don't like to risk bending my glasses frames, or scuffing the lenses. It sounds like you really like the SF's - it's good when a bin just feels natural in the hand. That wide field is pretty nice

I think in terms of weight the SF is very similar to your 7x42 UVid, perhaps a sling type arrangement for carrying is an option? Sometimes a change is as good as a holiday!

I Hope things improve for you functionality wise. The Nikon MHG is about 100grams (4Oz) lighter than the SF, but I think the SF would be a smidge ahead optically provided it fits, positions, and lines up ok for you.

I'm going to revisit both of them for some more grilling.



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Old Tuesday 7th November 2017, 17:11   #3078
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Gigi have you seen the BinoPOD

A modular binocular harness and pack system that integrates the WORLD's FIRST hands-free glassing system!

Glass for hours without fatigue.

Holds image steady, eliminates effects of shaky hands.

Extreme Comfort fully adjustable 4-point harness won't stretch or slip.

http://www.fieldopticsresearch.com/s...k-sku-H002.htm
Thanks for the suggestion, but I just can't see myself using that getup. Looks like you couldn't get the bino up to your eyes fast when needed (which is very often). Also, that's just a bit too much for me I think. I have a simple harness that's pretty good.

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Old Tuesday 7th November 2017, 17:23   #3079
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GiGi, the SF does have a slight rearward weight bias, so especially if the eye cups rest firmishly against the eye sockets/brow it can take some load off the shoulders. The shoulders are relatively small muscles, and this helps share the load with larger muscles like the chest. I don't like too firm a pressure since I don't like to risk bending my glasses frames, or scuffing the lenses. It sounds like you really like the SF's - it's good when a bin just feels natural in the hand. That wide field is pretty nice

I think in terms of weight the SF is very similar to your 7x42 UVid, perhaps a sling type arrangement for carrying is an option? Sometimes a change is as good as a holiday!

I Hope things improve for you functionality wise. The Nikon MHG is about 100grams (4Oz) lighter than the SF, but I think the SF would be a smidge ahead optically provided it fits, positions, and lines up ok for you.

I'm going to revisit both of them for some more grilling.



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Well my initial impressions of the SF were very good, but I've come to the conclusion I need to try any bino for a good weekend to see if it works for me or not. Of course certain negatives like short ER can give you the answer right away.

Chuck weighed the Uvid 7x42 naked and says it's 26.4 ounces. I thought it was 27.2 ounces as advertised, but this must be with rain guard and objective caps on. It's really not too heavy, but after about 4 hours or so I feel a little sore when I go home. I don't have too many issues when using it out. It's only when I have to hold the bin up for extended time to try and ID something distant. I make sure now to not hold for too long when my shoulders begin to burn.

Jan. will be 2 years with this bino and I may write something up about my impressions and feelings about it. Still at this point I can't find anything wrong with it to speak of (exceptional all around) except I wouldn't mind it being 3-4 ounces ligher :)
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Well my initial impressions of the SF were very good, but I've come to the conclusion I need to try any bino for a good weekend to see if it works for me or not. Of course certain negatives like short ER can give you the answer right away.

Chuck weighed the Uvid 7x42 naked and says it's 26.4 ounces. I thought it was 27.2 ounces as advertised, but this must be with rain guard and objective caps on. It's really not too heavy, but after about 4 hours or so I feel a little sore when I go home. I don't have too many issues when using it out. It's only when I have to hold the bin up for extended time to try and ID something distant. I make sure now to not hold for too long when my shoulders begin to burn.

Jan. will be 2 years with this bino and I may write something up about my impressions and feelings about it. Still at this point I can't find anything wrong with it to speak of (exceptional all around) except I wouldn't mind it being 3-4 ounces ligher :)
I have the 7X42 UV (2004) and it's about as good as you can get for weight control in a 27 ounce bin. The UV is short and easy to manage. My guess, based on your posts, is that you would tire as quickly or even more easily with the SF or SV 42mm bins.

If you want an immediate and obvious ergonomic boost you'll need a 32mm like the 8X32 SV (21 ounces), a binocular that's every bit as good as the well-loved 42mm's. One trick you can try to develop is to hold your bin in the traditional manner with one hand while a few fingers on your opposite hand support it from underneath. The arm not holding the bin directly can be folded in against your chest reducing muscle strain to an absolute minimum. Switch arms and you've got a relatively pain free method for extended viewing.

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If you want an immediate and obvious ergonomic boost you'll need a 32mm like the 8X32 SV
Truly a delightful little binocular.
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I have the 7X42 UV (2004) and it's about as good as you can get for weight control in a 27 ounce bin. The UV is short and easy to manage. My guess, based on your posts, is that you would tire as quickly or even more easily with the SF or SV 42mm bins.

If you want an immediate and obvious ergonomic boost you'll need a 32mm like the 8X32 SV (21 ounces), a binocular that's every bit as good as the well-loved 42mm's. One trick you can try to develop is to hold your bin in the traditional manner with one hand while a few fingers on your opposite hand support it from underneath. The arm not holding the bin directly can be folded in against your chest reducing muscle strain to an absolute minimum. Switch arms and you've got a relatively pain free method for extended viewing.
Thanks Pilly, but I'm way ahead of you on both counts. I liked the SF when I tried it, but that doesn't mean I'm interested in buying it. I already have a great 42mm and don't feel the need for another.

Yes !...a good 8x30 or 8x32 may be my next (and really the last) binocular. I will consider the SV 8x32 in the mix ... it's great. I tried the field pro SV 8x32 recently and loved the new package.

I have a nice 6x32, but sometimes feel it's not enough power. It's great for close bird watching and is the ultimate warbling bino, but often times I feel I need a little more for general use. I use the 6x32 when I need to carry light and usually that's bringing it to a spot on the way to work or on my lunch break.

7x is really ideal for me and the 7x42 is my primary bino.
I'm going to check out the new CL 8x30 plus others and also wait until sometime next year to make a purchase.

Yes, I do use that technique frequently when my shoulders are tired. Mostly I use both hands traditionally with arms tucked in, but when I feel tired I rest the barrel on the finger tips of one hand just as you describe.
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Genuine question. Between stopping to watch birds, do you walk round with one hand on your bins to stop them swinging back and forth?
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Genuine question. Between stopping to watch birds, do you walk round with one hand on your bins to stop them swinging back and forth?
No the harness I use keeps the binocular in place pretty well.
I let my arms rest when I can.

I use this simple harness in black...I'm pretty satisfied with it:

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No worries. It was just something my son lectured me on concerning balanced posture. Looks like you've got it covered.
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No worries. It was just something my son lectured me on concerning balanced posture. Looks like you've got it covered.
He's right ... I've been trying at work to have better posture while sitting in my cube all day. I don't think I have ideal posture in general...something I need to continue to work on.
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I don't think I have ideal posture in general...something I need to continue to work on.
I have always had bad posture (due, I think to me being 6'1" and, in my growing days, therefore slouching to 'fit in' with my buddies). I also, despite being relatively fit, find viewing through binoculars constantly, quite literally a pain (it starts with a gnawing in my shoulders which soon transforms itself into 'camera shake' in my hands.
My son, (who since gaining a Uni degree in Sports Science and Fitness has become a right, know all, pain in the butt) has lectured me on how to walk round without holding my bins (taken to extremes he's quoted how a guy with his arm in a sling can develop frozen shoulder). I didn't think it would make any difference till he started bombarding me with experiments-
1) walk round with one arm free and the other wrapped across your stomach and see how long it is before your shoulder craves movement.
2)wear one flat shoe and one shoe with the tiniest heel (just 1 cm) and see how long it takes for your hips to start aching.
The above happens because the human head weighs without blood 4.5 to 5kg (put equivalent groceries in shopping bag and pick it up -it is unbelievably heavy) and the shoulders/spine/hips have their work cut out just supporting this weight, let alone coping with round shoulders weighed down even more by heavy binoculars.
The upshot is, I've listened to him (when are our kids ever wrong). I wear a tight fitting bomber jacket with the bins jammed in the top (just below my throat) and this takes the weight off the strap, allows me to walk naturally with arms at my sides, and gives me quick access to the bins should that once in a lifetime American vagrant hop into view.
I hate to say it, but it works.
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The upshot is, I've listened to him (when are our kids ever wrong). I wear a tight fitting bomber jacket with the bins jammed in the top (just below my throat) and this takes the weight off the strap, allows me to walk naturally with arms at my sides, and gives me quick access to the bins should that once in a lifetime American vagrant hop into view.
I hate to say it, but it works.
Thank you for these interesting insights.
Harnesses do offer a more comfortable carry, but suffer imho because their lateral straps chafe. The OpTech utility strap ($20 on Amazon) provides an unconfining and relaxed bandoleer style support, even for a relatively heavy glass.
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I have always had bad posture (due, I think to me being 6'1" and, in my growing days, therefore slouching to 'fit in' with my buddies). I also, despite being relatively fit, find viewing through binoculars constantly, quite literally a pain (it starts with a gnawing in my shoulders which soon transforms itself into 'camera shake' in my hands.
My son, (who since gaining a Uni degree in Sports Science and Fitness has become a right, know all, pain in the butt) has lectured me on how to walk round without holding my bins (taken to extremes he's quoted how a guy with his arm in a sling can develop frozen shoulder). I didn't think it would make any difference till he started bombarding me with experiments-
1) walk round with one arm free and the other wrapped across your stomach and see how long it is before your shoulder craves movement.
2)wear one flat shoe and one shoe with the tiniest heel (just 1 cm) and see how long it takes for your hips to start aching.
The above happens because the human head weighs without blood 4.5 to 5kg (put equivalent groceries in shopping bag and pick it up -it is unbelievably heavy) and the shoulders/spine/hips have their work cut out just supporting this weight, let alone coping with round shoulders weighed down even more by heavy binoculars.
The upshot is, I've listened to him (when are our kids ever wrong). I wear a tight fitting bomber jacket with the bins jammed in the top (just below my throat) and this takes the weight off the strap, allows me to walk naturally with arms at my sides, and gives me quick access to the bins should that once in a lifetime American vagrant hop into view.
I hate to say it, but it works.
Thanks...that's all very helpful :)
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This will address neck & shoulder strain.
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/...inocular-strap
It has longer neoprene padding than a regular strap so it slides effortlessly over all types of clothing.
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This will address neck & shoulder strain.
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/...inocular-strap
It has longer neoprene padding than a regular strap so it slides effortlessly over all types of clothing.
Pileatus. Have you tried the air cell straps with the little air bubbles along the length of them. They really help with comfort. They surprised me when I tried one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Carl-Zeiss-...8AAOSwwN5ZhYDR
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Pileatus. Have you tried the air cell straps with the little air bubbles along the length of them. They really help with comfort. They surprised me when I tried one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Carl-Zeiss-...8AAOSwwN5ZhYDR
Thanks for that link Dennis-I've bookmarked it. I have looked for a good quality version of that style for a while.
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Thanks for that link Dennis-I've bookmarked it. I have looked for a good quality version of that style for a while.
They are the most comfortable straps I have tried.
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They are the most comfortable straps I have tried.
Yeah I was thinking about them for the DSLRs and bins.
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