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Old Thursday 5th June 2014, 09:19   #51
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Anyway a double bridge is nothing really new, Zeiss made some already a century ago...
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Old Thursday 5th June 2014, 10:59   #52
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Nice bin, does this one have the "Wetzlar ring"? Just kidding. I'm eager to test one!
It looks very promising.
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Anyway a double bridge is nothing really new, Zeiss made some already a century ago...
Dalat, dear friend, SF has three bridges not two........

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Dalat, dear friend, SF has three bridges not two........
Yes, the progress of 100 years of innovation!
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Yes, the progress of 100 years of innovation!
That's inflation for you..

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Mike .... Thanks for the follow-up.

I noticed Zeiss is signed up to attend the Tucson, AZ Bird & Wildlife Nature Expo in August. Should I make it down there, I assume there will be some Victory SF models available for viewing along with some of the other new Zeiss products!
Hello Bruce, I will be there representing ZEISS and we should have several to show. Kind Regards, Rich.
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If that's the case, where does that leave us? Do we need distortion values (k) and complex calcs to compare apples to apples? Reading the marketing guff, there's enough playing fast and loose already without makers having further leeway!


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Chosun,

What we need is an apparent field spec based on a real measurement rather than a mathematically calculated approximation. It's an improvement to see two companies finally doing that. Maybe others will follow. In the meantime I would just continue to compare binocular specs by using the old simple method of multiplying the real field in degrees by the magnification. The resulting AFOV figures will all be inflated by perhaps 4-8% depending on the amount of distortion and the field width, but the pecking order will probably be reasonably accurate.

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Answering a few questions that have come up.

1. Yes, I have handled them, have a pair in my hand at this moment in Austria birding near the Hungarian border. Without a lot of details, this product "IS" as significant as we claim it is. It's quite amazing.
congratulations to the new Zeiss SF,
i'm glad you realized that birders and hunters are quite different users,
I'm sure they will be a classic among birders! (and some hunters to..)


The SF:s look far better than I ever could imagine,
the HT:s never appealed to me 100%, mostly because of the not perfect
comfort with eye glasses.

will there be a SF 8x32 model?
(To compete with the Swarovski 8x32 SV)
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Old Thursday 5th June 2014, 14:17   #59
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congratulations to the new Zeiss SF,
i'm glad you realized that birders and hunters are quite different users,
I'm sure they will be a classic among birders! (and some hunters to..)


The SF:s look far better than I ever could imagine,
the HT:s never appealed to me 100%, mostly because of the not perfect
comfort with eye glasses.

will there be a SF 8x32 model?
(To compete with the Swarovski 8x32 SV)
The HT's didn't really grab me, I think because I'm hooked on flat fields. The SF's, however...I'm looking forward to seeing those!

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What we need is an apparent field spec based on a real measurement rather than a mathematically calculated approximation. It's an improvement to see two companies finally doing that. Maybe others will follow. In the meantime I would just continue to compare binocular specs by using the old simple method of multiplying the real field in degrees by the magnification. The resulting AFOV figures will all be inflated by perhaps 4-8% depending on the amount of distortion and the field width, but the pecking order will probably be reasonably accurate.

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Thanks Henry



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OMG will you stop bouncing about from thread to thread? Don't know where you are gong to turn up next

Your Aussie links were all 'authentication failed': are you sure they weren't government sites you hacked?....

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Lee - you are correct! Those links did disappear for a time .... maybe head office forgot about the downunder early mail and decided such early leaks were verboten! Or maybe ASIO had a hand in it .....

Whatevs ..... the original links I posted are now up and running again.


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will there be a SF 8x32 model?
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As for a future Zeiss 8x32, I'm not optimistic about it meeting my criteria if it is based on the full-sized SF design. I don't want a bulky 8x32 like the SV, it's got to be FL or Ultravid size to get my attention. The close focus and focus ratio of the 8x32FL works very well, with no need for variable ratio (unlike the larger bins) so I hope that whatever Zeiss does for a future 8x32 is designed around that small size and is not just a shrunken full-sized SF. All we need to make the 8x32FL perfect is astigmatism correction, a touch less bulk (slim the tubes!), and somewhat better performance (in contrast) against bright overcast skies. Oh, and keep that 52 mm minimum interpupillary spec--it's useful for close viewing, even for folks with 56 mm interpupillary!

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Well Alexis - I think that's called the 8x32 HT, with CFRP body no less!


Strangely, (and rather confusingly ) the 8x32 SF 'could' feature AK prisms if it is going to match the Swaro form factor. Such a beast (although a logistical and marketing nightmare) would be a real killer bin!


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As for a future Zeiss 8x32, I'm not optimistic about it meeting my criteria if it is based on the full-sized SF design. I don't want a bulky 8x32 like the SV, it's got to be FL or Ultravid size to get my attention. The close focus and focus ratio of the 8x32FL works very well, with no need for variable ratio (unlike the larger bins) so I hope that whatever Zeiss does for a future 8x32 is designed around that small size and is not just a shrunken full-sized SF. All we need to make the 8x32FL perfect is astigmatism correction, a touch less bulk (slim the tubes!), and somewhat better performance (in contrast) against bright overcast skies. Oh, and keep that 52 mm minimum interpupillary spec--it's useful for close viewing, even for folks with 56 mm inter pupillary!
I am more and more convinced that Zeiss Germany is reading birdforum to get inspiration about what the market needs.
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I am more and more convinced that Zeiss Germany is reading birdforum to get inspiration about what the market needs.
Well if they are I`d like a seriously top end porro for 1/3rd the SF price.

It might be just me though
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I am more and more convinced that Zeiss Germany is reading birdforum to get inspiration about what the market needs.
If they really would, they would have come with a 32 SF or 32 HT first, rather than with another 42. And of course with a 7x something.

For sure they are reading birdforum, but probably they don't take us overly serious. Which is probably quite sensible
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Well can I finally have my carbon fibre sandwich 9x50 HT then ?!



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Well can I finally have my carbon fibre sandwich 9x50 HT then ?!

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What you really want CJ, is a modular CFRP binocular so you can swap between different magnifications and different objective sizes, but then you would need different bodies too with different sized prisms and lord knows how you would deal with the focusing mechanism. But hey we're just dreaming here so we can express our wildest wish

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congratulations to the new Zeiss SF,
.........................

will there be a SF 8x32 model?
(To compete with the Swarovski 8x32 SV)
Mike J may want to add more, but in the meantime, he said the following in post number 33 above ........


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July was the plan, but I realistically see late August. This will be a high demand global product so as production begins, I will assume availability will be limited as the factory gets going. Every region will get some but it can not be confirmed how fast. Keep in touch with your local retailer is my best suggestion. I can't comment on a 32mm at this time. We will need to get this product under control first before we evaluate the viability of a 32.
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Hello Bruce, I will be there representing ZEISS and we should have several to show. Kind Regards, Rich.
Thanks for letting me know. I hope I can make it. You must have drawn the short straw to get a trip to Tucson in the summer! My Windows 8 weather app is showing a "cool" forecast of only 109 F (42.8 C) for today in beautiful sunny Tucson.
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Thanks for letting me know. I hope I can make it. You must have drawn the short straw to get a trip to Tucson in the summer! My Windows 8 weather app is showing a "cool" forecast of only 109 F (42.8 C) for today in beautiful sunny Tucson.
But I've heard it's a "dry" heat...
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Hi Sagi

I'm no lawyer but as I understand it the Swaro patent covered the focus mechanism not the body style.

SF's body might look similar to EL with a bridge next to the objectives but look higher up and there are bridges each side of the focus wheel, not just on one side like EL: its a triple bridge, not a dual.

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The second bridge below the focus wheel, attached to the axle of the focus wheel, is a non-weight bearing bridge, otherwise the binocular would weigh more. Something has to keep the focusing mechanism in a straight line. Zeiss has been featuring it's focusing prowess and it is certain to get a work out.

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If they really would, they would have come with a 32 SF or 32 HT first, rather than with another 42. And of course with a 7x something.

For sure they are reading birdforum, but probably they don't take us overly serious. Which is probably quite sensible
With all due respect and the owner of BF can confirm this, but ZEISS were early adopters of BF after a few months of launch and some were members within a few weeks. ZEISS were one of the first sponsors.

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But I've heard it's a "dry" heat...
You must have watched Jay Leno. That was one of his favorite comments when joking about the AZ heat.

Right now it is 5% humidity in Phoenix and 3% in Tucson per the Windows 8 desktop app. I think that qualifies as dry!

I wonder how I can convince Mike J to send me a SF so I can do heat mirage testing for him. I was getting some nice waves a few minutes ago when I I went to look. The mirage effect is real out here and it does take away from an alpha view. That would be any interesting comparison between different models. I am thinking there would not be much difference between like powers.
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Mike J may want to add more, but in the meantime, he said the following in post number 33 above ........
ok, thanks, missed that one,
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This would be a good place for me to voice my complaint about the crappy objective covers all new Zeiss Bins have

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