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Old Wednesday 8th October 2014, 17:32   #101
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So are people saying if you have the sx40 its not worth upgrading to the 50 or 60. I have the sx40 and like what it does for what I want.
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Old Wednesday 8th October 2014, 19:16   #102
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So are people saying if you have the sx40 its not worth upgrading to the 50 or 60. I have the sx40 and like what it does for what I want.
Although I'm disappointed with the sx60 I wouldn't discount the sx50, in fact that is probably they way I'm going to go.
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Old Wednesday 8th October 2014, 20:29   #103
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May look into that that coz sx50 s should be bargain bucket prices.
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Old Wednesday 8th October 2014, 20:45   #104
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This is a video shot with the SX60 in the wetlands yesterday, made up from clips shot from 60 -500 metres. I've adjusted half of each clip in FCP X ( except the last one ) so you can see how processing can help. Especially when you don't have a variable ND filter to control exposure.
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Neil, great video. Have you tried the zoom range from wide angle through into the digital range and back, and if so does the zoom sort of trip as it enters or leaves the digital range, or is it a smooth transition. Because this happens on my Sx50 which makes for poor zooming. Also there is a constant clicking noise from the motor / focusing on my Sx50
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Old Wednesday 8th October 2014, 21:09   #105
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Paul - I think most people would agree that the SX50 is a worthwhile improvement over the SX40 (which itself was a good camera).

As you say, there should be some bargain prices about on the SX50 once the SX60 is in all the shops.
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Old Thursday 9th October 2014, 07:10   #106
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Thanks Spuggyhawk and others who weighed in on the SX60. I was a little reluctant to do so considering my photographic inexperience, but figured most members here would be able to gauge the value of my observations. Your input makes me feel like I wasn't too off-base.

Paul, it probably comes down to what features and functions are most important to you. Sounds like the video folks are thrilled with the SX60, but I wouldn't make an even trade for my SX50.
Then again, some people seem to think the SX60's short-comings may be mostly software-based. If that's the case and Canon issues new software, I'd bite again....but I'm not holding my breath.

Flossiepip, I ran across a P600/SX50 comparison you might be interested in; http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54489002
BTW, I didn't mean to imply that the Nikon's autofocus isn't accurate, it is (might even be better than the SX50) I just found it to be really slow compared to the Canon....and being really slow myself, I missed too many shots with it. Unlike serious bird photographers, I'll settle for a slightly out-of-focus shot over "nothin but air
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Old Thursday 9th October 2014, 11:20   #107
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Thanks Spuggyhawk and others who weighed in on the SX60. I was a little reluctant to do so considering my photographic inexperience, but figured most members here would be able to gauge the value of my observations. Your input makes me feel like I wasn't too off-base.

Paul, it probably comes down to what features and functions are most important to you. Sounds like the video folks are thrilled with the SX60, but I wouldn't make an even trade for my SX50.
Then again, some people seem to think the SX60's short-comings may be mostly software-based. If that's the case and Canon issues new software, I'd bite again....but I'm not holding my breath.

Flossiepip, I ran across a P600/SX50 comparison you might be interested in; http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54489002
BTW, I didn't mean to imply that the Nikon's autofocus isn't accurate, it is (might even be better than the SX50) I just found it to be really slow compared to the Canon....and being really slow myself, I missed too many shots with it. Unlike serious bird photographers, I'll settle for a slightly out-of-focus shot over "nothin but air
Thanks mzettie, your reference to the verdict on video quality has got me thinking again. Like you I'm still relatively new to birding and certainly no photographer, so I mostly use the outstanding video zoom on SX50 as an aid to recognition.

Since I usually also carry a smaller digital camera for everyday photography I'm now wondering whether for my particular purposes it would be worth sacrificing the picture quality of the SX50 for the improved video and EVF of the SX60.

Tough call!
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Old Thursday 9th October 2014, 15:31   #108
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So we will go with the Canon SX50 or look as I'm going to at the Nikon P600 or Sony HX400, though it may be worth waiting to see what Fuji do when they replace HS50! I for one will leave the SX60 and stick for now with the wonderful SX50.
My one good buying opportunity is going to be Black Friday or Cyber Monday sales, or further sales between then and the new year. So I'm counting on good deals then, which means I can't really wait for any competitors and their "coming soon" cameras. It's the next few months or this time next year. And I'd really like a better camera by April at the latest.

So I'm in the same boat. The SX60 is getting panned in reviews: they often still rate it above the SX50, but only barely and for reasons that really don't concern me. On-the-ground experience seems go the other way...alot of disappointment, especially at the extreme edge of focus (where I care the most).

I've looked at the reviews and user comments about the P600 and HX400 as well, but I can't find enough people who find it compelling for birding compared to what seems like an army of SX50 people who think it's the best birding camera ever (or at least "the next best thing to lugging around thousands of dollars of DSLR gear to do the same thing"). Review after review, birder after birder, swears by the SX50 the way digiscopers used to swear by the Nikon Coolpix 4500 years and years ago. Fanatical bunch.

Maybe Canon will fix the problems with the SX60 with a firmware patch before I buy, and if so, great! Otherwise I'm pretty much settled on the SX50.
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Old Friday 10th October 2014, 06:48   #109
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More expensive are Digital Rev for £359. I believe they have quick delivery and and a good reputation? I have never used them so I happy to be contradicted.
I've just bought a DSLR from them and the process was painless!
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Old Friday 10th October 2014, 21:04   #110
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I ordered my SX60 from them on a Friday and it arrived Monday - even allowing for the time difference, that's pretty quick. They'll pay for local repair if it's necessary

TrustPilot gives them a very high rating also
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I just got back from a week in California where I used the SX60 every day. The quality of the light was much better than I'm used to in Asia so showed the camera at it's best.
I haven't started processed the stills yet but here are two videos . The first shows the optical zooming capability from 1350 mm to 21 mm and back again from my hotel to the gulls on the far end of the beach (tripod).
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This video shows a juvenile Black-bellied Plover in the late afternoon sun from a distance of about 5 metres.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7892550@N03/15476513246/
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Old Sunday 12th October 2014, 10:08   #112
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Neil, what is your opinion on the stills capabilities of the SX60? In particular, have you noticed the shortcomings that have been reported elsewhere with poor performance (AF and IQ) at the max zoom? - eg review here:

http://cameras.reviewed.com/content/...-camera-review
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Old Sunday 12th October 2014, 11:03   #113
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I am hearing poor reports on the image quality of stills from the SX60. My friend had one and returned it. This has stopped me making a purchase myself. I would be interested to hear your findings Neil?
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Old Sunday 12th October 2014, 20:22   #114
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There was a lot I liked about the sx60, the build and feel in the hand where good, video was great. However as a birder that likes to take pic's there are a couple of things for me that are a must from this camera... to be usable handheld at full zoom and decent quality sharp pic's at the high end of the zoom.
I had the 60 for two days before i sent it back and in those two days I didnt get a pic I was happy with at high end zoom, I'm a sx40 user at the moment and ive been very pleased with it and was expecting big things from the 60... to say i'm disapointed is an understatement. I may just go for the sx50 unless i can be convinced that the sony is better.

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Neil, what is your opinion on the stills capabilities of the SX60? In particular, have you noticed the shortcomings that have been reported elsewhere with poor performance (AF and IQ) at the max zoom? - eg review here:

http://cameras.reviewed.com/content/...-camera-review
I've had to stop processing my stills as I've run out of memory on all my drives. I'll get another 2T/byte drive today.
My initial impression though are though that those with the SX50 are not going to be blown away by the sx60 for stills. But as it has a longer lens you will need good technique to get the best out of it eg press the camera to your eye for stability and use the full extension stabiility button on the lens.
What I'd like to see though are people posting their photos , good or bad, with exif info so that we can see what people expectations are
This photo of the cormorants was taken at about 50 metres at 830 mm and 1/320th at 5.6 at iso 200 with the camera on a tripod. In good light.
I'll get to longer range photos later in the day.
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Here is an example of a full zoom at distance of a crow up a palm tree against the light, while I was having lunch. Handheld. The wide shot was at 21 mm at iso 100 and 1/400th second at f4. The long shot at full optical zoom of 1365 mm was at 1/160th second at f5.6 which is why the bird is not as sharp as it should be (it was moving as it looked for insects)
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The wide shot of the seals and cormorants was taken at about 300 mm and the long shot at 1040 mm and 1/320th second at f5.6 at iso 400 on a tripod . Images are full size .
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This Black Turnstone was at full zoom of 1365 mm and 1/400th at f5.6 and iso 125. I just noticed that Canon includes a Subject Distance figure in the Exif and it shows 28 metres for this turnstone. I wonder how accurate this is?
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This tatler was at almost full zoom at 1280 mm and 1/800th second at f8 at iso 100. The crop shot is about 50%
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Thanks for posting these stills Neil.

Were they JPEGS straight out of the camera, or processed RAW files? Have you done any sharpening etc?
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Thanks for posting these stills Neil.

Were they JPEGS straight out of the camera, or processed RAW files? Have you done any sharpening etc?
Yes. JPEGs with a little Unsharp Mask.
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As much as I've complained about the SX50's EVF and anticipated the release of the SX60, I have to say my disappointing experience with the new model (and the ongoing discussion about it) have made me re-appreciate what the SX50 CAN do.

Much has been said about how the cameras compare at maximum optical zoom, with lots of contradicting opinions. I'd be interested to hear what people are finding in terms of the digital zoom capabilities of the SX60 too.
I know many would rather stay within a camera's optical limits and crop later, but I've found that in practical terms, utilizing the digital zoom can help with auto-focusing and facilitate a shot that would otherwise not happen, especially if there's a stick or other object between the shooter and the subject.
The exif info on flickr doesn't indicate anything beyond max optical, so I looked back through recent photos to find some that were taken at 100x (35mm equivalent 2440) and put a few in a folder. They're all jpegs with no processing, ie, "as taken."
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/r2tfisjcf...MsMBLCVBa?dl=0

The second shot is an example of the "stick in front of bird" situation. With pinpoint focus and 100x zoom, one can find a piece of the bird to focus on and get a decent shot....may not be great, but at least it's identifiable.
The last photo is of a small bird perched in the top of a 50 foot Sycamore. I couldn't see any details with bins, but the pic clearly shows a Lark Sparrow. Pretty amazing, even if it's a pretty bad photo.....
Still wish they'd just tweaked the SX50,... sigh.
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Hi Niel,

Thanks for the photo's. How many of the posted shots were hand held?
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As much as I've complained about the SX50's EVF and anticipated the release of the SX60, I have to say my disappointing experience with the new model (and the ongoing discussion about it) have made me re-appreciate what the SX50 CAN do.

Much has been said about how the cameras compare at maximum optical zoom, with lots of contradicting opinions. I'd be interested to hear what people are finding in terms of the digital zoom capabilities of the SX60 too.
I know many would rather stay within a camera's optical limits and crop later, but I've found that in practical terms, utilizing the digital zoom can help with auto-focusing and facilitate a shot that would otherwise not happen, especially if there's a stick or other object between the shooter and the subject.
The exif info on flickr doesn't indicate anything beyond max optical, so I looked back through recent photos to find some that were taken at 100x (35mm equivalent 2440) and put a few in a folder. They're all jpegs with no processing, ie, "as taken."
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/r2tfisjcf...MsMBLCVBa?dl=0

The second shot is an example of the "stick in front of bird" situation. With pinpoint focus and 100x zoom, one can find a piece of the bird to focus on and get a decent shot....may not be great, but at least it's identifiable.
The last photo is of a small bird perched in the top of a 50 foot Sycamore. I couldn't see any details with bins, but the pic clearly shows a Lark Sparrow. Pretty amazing, even if it's a pretty bad photo.....
Still wish they'd just tweaked the SX50,... sigh.
They look ok. Especially the hummingbird. I've been using the 1.6 and 2.0x a bit in California. It might even be a good idea to leave it in this mode permanently. You won't often use the 21 mm end if you're birding.
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I haven't got an sx50 to compare with but I know it's IS was good.
Once again I mention the IS button on the lens barrel which should be pressed at the long zoom end with a half shutter press for rock solid shooting.
It's discussed on page 41 of the PDF Manual.
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