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Old Sunday 1st February 2015, 22:40   #1
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New M Series ?

A new line ? http://www.bushnell.com/all-products...eries-10x-42mm

Something wrong in spec. :
-8x42 - Field = 220ft@1000yd
-10x42 - Field = 426ft@1000yd
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Interesting, three grades of Legend.
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Hmm. I really wish I didn't just see that. LOL.

Going to have to look into those M series now.
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Old Tuesday 3rd February 2015, 17:54   #4
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Looking at the three models it would seem there are some notable differences that you have to dig a bit for. they all share the same field of view, eye relief specs etc.... but

Legend E (base level) - traditional hinge design, fully-multicoated, phase coated, etc... Similar to the original Bushnell Legend but with the Bushnell Excursion field of view.

Legend L - same binocular as the Legend E but with ED glass.

Legend M - Open bridge design with everything the Legend L had plus dielectric prism coating
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Looking at the three models it would seem there are some notable differences that you have to dig a bit for. they all share the same field of view, eye relief specs etc.... but

Legend E (base level) - traditional hinge design, fully-multicoated, phase coated, etc... Similar to the original Bushnell Legend but with the Bushnell Excursion field of view.

Legend L - same binocular as the Legend E but with ED glass.

Legend M - Open bridge design with everything the Legend L had plus dielectric prism coating
Thanks for that summary, Frank. I was going to make a slightly different analogy:

Legend E (plain cheese pizza)
Legend L (pizza with pepperoni)
Legend M (pizza with everything).

Have you tried any of these? I'm not sure about the Legend M, because I don't like anchovies.

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Old Wednesday 4th February 2015, 15:41   #6
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Good analogy Brock.

Haven't tried any of them yet. Bushnell doesn't seem to have representatives at any of the bird shows that I go to. Don't have the funds to be buying randomly at the moment.

The Legend M reminds me of the open-bridge Bushnell Elite but with ED glass and a wider field of view. It should prove interesting as long as the edge distortions/aberrations aren't too troublesome.
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I am curious as to where the elites are going to fit in to the scheme. The M's are with a few bucks of the elites.
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do they simply rebadge excursion and sell them as Legend E? I am curious whether it is an upgrade or downgrade?
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do they simply rebadge excursion and sell them as Legend E? I am curious whether it is an upgrade or downgrade?

The excursion is an open bridge while the E is closed.
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Perterra,

If memory serves me correctly, the original Excursion was a traditional hinge design while the Excursion EX was the open bridge model. I could be wrong of course since it has been awhile since I owned either.
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Perterra,

If memory serves me correctly, the original Excursion was a traditional hinge design while the Excursion EX was the open bridge model. I could be wrong of course since it has been awhile since I owned either.
correction noted, Thanks,
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A new line ? http://www.bushnell.com/all-products...eries-10x-42mm

Something wrong in spec. :
-8x42 - Field = 220ft@1000yd
-10x42 - Field = 426ft@1000yd
DadraFromFrance,

If you click on the "M" series page, it states the 8x42's FOV as 8.1*.

legend-e-l-m-series/m-series-8x-42mm

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Good analogy Brock.

Haven't tried any of them yet. Bushnell doesn't seem to have representatives at any of the bird shows that I go to. Don't have the funds to be buying randomly at the moment.

The Legend M reminds me of the open-bridge Bushnell Elite but with ED glass and a wider field of view. It should prove interesting as long as the edge distortions/aberrations aren't too troublesome.
You might have tried one already without knowing it.

CLONING, IT'S NO LONGER JUST FOR SHEEP AND ORPHAN BLACK.
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Ha ha, yea I'd love to see a master list of who makes what and which binocs are actually the exact same binocs. I doubt we'll ever see that kind of honesty though. It burns me that manufacturers are allowed to buy things and put their own name on them though. That should be illegal.
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Old Friday 6th February 2015, 02:06   #15
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You might have tried one already without knowing it.

CLONING, IT'S NO LONGER JUST FOR SHEEP AND ORPHAN BLACK.
Yeah, I noticed the 6.5 inch length after I made the elite comment.

Funny that it took them this long to pick up the design.
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I was expecting some changes after the Legend Ultra HD has been in closeout pricing.

I ordered the 8x42HD back in November, and liked the binocular overall, but the eyerelief did not suit
me at all. I don't wear glasses, and I had to hold them back from my eyes to use them. I had to return them, and I found out from some other reviews this was an issue.
Otherwise they may fit many users well.

I hope they have things worked out in these new models.

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Old Saturday 7th February 2015, 16:38   #17
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I was expecting some changes after the Legend Ultra HD has been in closeout pricing.

I ordered the 8x42HD back in November, and liked the binocular overall, but the eyerelief did not suit
me at all. I don't wear glasses, and I had to hold them back from my eyes to use them. I had to return them, and I found out from some other reviews this was an issue.
Otherwise they may fit many users well.

I hope they have things worked out in these new models.

Jerry
Idem for me. The Legend HD'oculars didn't suit for my eyes (I didn't wear glasses too) and I have a lot of blackout.
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You might have tried one already without knowing it.

CLONING, IT'S NO LONGER JUST FOR SHEEP AND ORPHAN BLACK.
Well done Brock !
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Old Wednesday 1st July 2015, 22:20   #19
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Cool Pre-order at B&H

Expected availability is Sept 8 2015

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...idge_roof.html

They made a mistake on their FOV though -- it should be 8 degrees. Haha, someone really butchered up the specifications on B&H's web site.

22mm EXIT PUPIL!!! Now that's cool!

Extra long eye-relief @ 4.2mm

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Old Monday 5th October 2015, 19:06   #20
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I just compared these in 10x42 to the Vortex Talons in the same.
The field of view on both are very nice and seem the same. The Bushnells definitely feel lighter in the hands. Locking diopter is kinda cool. Clarity and edge detail seemed pretty much the same, but the Bushnells were noticeably brighter to me (very bright)...All this was done inside Cabelas lighting so its not a good outside review.
But I can tell real quick inside the store if a pair of bins is bright and how bad the glare is looking at lights.
These and the Talons both had no glare that I could tell.
They were also on sale for only $350 over the $479 for the Talons.
I was surprised at how bright they are. I feel for the price, they are the obvious choice over the comparable Talons
Im thinking of picking up a pair in 10x42
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They still look like they retain the plastic locking dioptre - a massive weak link in all of the old Legends.
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They still look like they retain the plastic locking dioptre - a massive weak link in all of the old Legends.
This design has nothing to do with the old Legend Ultras, so far as I know, but it's definitely a venerable clone at this point:

Zen ED, ED2, ED3 (the original?)
Eagle Optics Atlas Intrepid ED
Vortex Talon
Hawke Sapphire
Others?

I used the Zen ED2 for a couple years and liked it a lot. I gave it to a sister of mine last year. Another sister has used the Atlas Intrepid for years. The design has incredible center sharpness, very low CA, and quite a bit of pincushion. Nothing wrong with the diopter. The design is time-tested at this point and I wouldn't hesitate to buy one again.

I'm surprised Bushnell even bothered to make one without ED glass though, if they really did.

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The L series is on sale at Amazon for $139 so I grabbed one.

I was told by Bushnell that the eyepieces and diopter were a new design to overcome those problem areas in the original Legend Ultra HD. I was also told that the L series is the same optically as the original but improved construction. If this is the case, the Amazon sale price is a stellar deal. I just looked now and the price is down to $137.
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Now I get it. I didn't realize that the E and L are updates of the old Legend Ultra while the M is a different design (call it the "classic" twin-bridge clone). The M is an inch longer than the other two so they aren't the same design with added bells and whistles.

It's a bit confusing to call them all Legends when one of these binos is not like the others?
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I've been playing around with the 8x42 M series for about a week.
I am not a professional binocular user and have only a little experience, so take my opinion with a grain of salt:

I used to own the Talon HD 8x42 so I have a little bit of experience with this type of design but not a lot.
Its definitely similar to the Talon but different in many ways. It has very tactile eye cups. They are the best ones Ive seen yet. I don't know if tactile is the right word, but the eye cups have no play in them and click into place firmly. The eye cups themselves are not fat and bulky but thinner and fit me perfectly. I like the thinner eye cups over the wider/flat style like leupold has.
There should be plenty of room for eyeglass wearers as I have to have the cups fully extended for the best, non blackout view.
They are lighter by a few ounces than the Talons which I can noticeably feel, but not by much.
The view is surprisingly bright, wide and flat. I wasn't expecting how flat the field of view is. For a $330 bin (on sale at Cabelas till nov) I wasn't expecting too much in the view department, but they are great.
They definitely have a flatter view than my Monarch 7 8x42 I had, and the edge distortion is also less noticeable on the Legends. I think the sweet spot is definitely larger on these than the Monarchs and probably better than the Talons. I know they are brighter than the Talons for sure (thats saying a lot because the Talons are bright themselves)
I can look through these all day getting immersed in the view and pan around without getting dizzy or a headache. They are comfortable for my eyes, and they feel comfortable in my hands.
Locking diopter is a plus, I guess, but Im fine with a non locking one as long as its not too loose.
I haven't had any glare issues yet, but I haven't really been trying to make them flare up.

My only complaints are:
Focus dial has some slop, but when you are focusing while looking through them, you don't notice it much at all..at least I don't. But the focusing itself is smooth, no gritty stickiness.

The locking diopter has a nub on it that gets in the way of the rain guards. The eye cups have to be fully extended for the rain guard to fit all the way down. This nubby thing is so its easier for you to turn it, but I think it just gets in the way.

The objective lens covers snap inside the barrels and that part of them is great. The ring holding them on the outside of the barrels is not so great, just like the Talons..I see them coming off so maybe a little glue or blue locktite to hold them on is in order.

The only other thing I don't really like about them, but this is a total non issue, is all the stickers on them advertising its qualities. Has a huge bright sticker on one barrel and one on a thumb indention letting you know it has a locking diopter as if you couldn't figure this out.
I was worried that these stickers would leave a gummy residue when taken off, but they do not. They come off cleanly leaving it much more discrete looking with no flashily displays on it which I like.
Bushnell obviously made these to come off after you buy them...or keep them on if you like that sort of thing.

I really liked the Talons, but these surprised me and I like them better. They are brighter and the eye cup design is better.

When I bought these, I thought for sure Id be returning them. I kind of bought them on an impulse because they were on sale and only had one left in 8x42, and Ive always liked the open bridge style of a full size.

But Im keeping these for sure. These were a pleasant surprise.

Ill be using them a lot more this week and see if anything stands out..good or bad.
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