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Old Sunday 22nd March 2015, 14:07   #26
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P900 2000mm. What are your opinions?
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Hard to form an opinion without being able to see EXIF data on most of the bird shots.
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Looks like a very intriguing camera for birding- but, maddeningly (and, like some other superzooms,), it appears that the p900 makes you go into the menu to switch to manual focus, giving the bird (the bird that the autofocus is ignoring in favor of focusing on the twigs in front of it) a nice chunk of extra time to disappear, never to be seen again. How about a simple switch on the outside of the camera that instantly flips you from AF to manual focus, & back again, as on the Fuji HS50EXR? Sigh.
I agree that a one-step button (preferrably on the left side) would be ideal, but switching to MF on the P900 doesn't require going into the menu and shouldn't be time consuming. The switch is made via the multi-selector on the back of the camera, easily accessed by the right thumb without taking one's eyes off the viewfinder. If you're shooting in AF mode, pressing the top of the dial (once) takes you directly to MF, and your selection is confirmed by pressing "ok" in the center of the dial. It's a two step process but not bad, ergonomically speaking....at least on the P600. The P900 is larger, but I'm hoping that will actually make manipulation of the camera a little easier, since I find the P600's dimensions a little squishy. I'm also hoping the improved EVF on the P900 will facilitate better manual focusing, but haven't found any reports on that yet.
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I agree that a one-step button (preferrably on the left side) would be ideal, but switching to MF on the P900 doesn't require going into the menu and shouldn't be time consuming. The switch is made via the multi-selector on the back of the camera, easily accessed by the right thumb without taking one's eyes off the viewfinder. If you're shooting in AF mode, pressing the top of the dial (once) takes you directly to MF, and your selection is confirmed by pressing "ok" in the center of the dial. It's a two step process but not bad, ergonomically speaking....at least on the P600. The P900 is larger, but I'm hoping that will actually make manipulation of the camera a little easier, since I find the P600's dimensions a little squishy. I'm also hoping the improved EVF on the P900 will facilitate better manual focusing, but haven't found any reports on that yet.
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I was just fooling around with the P600 (husband's camera, I use SX50) and realized I misspoke. It requires 3 presses of the multi-selector (bottom, top, middle) to enable MF. It can be done very quickly (provided you remember the correct order) but certainly one dedicated button would be nice.
At least the focusing on the Nikons can be assigned to a toggle on the barrel. I'm limited to using the dial on my SX50, which means I never use MF at all.
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mzettie, thanks for the explanation. Does sound like one could get fairly quick at that, but I find I fairly often have to switch to manual quickly, can't do it quite quickly enough, & miss a shot, even with the one dedicated switch on my HS50- it's just nice to get as much help from the camera as possible in the attempt to be speedy. Sounds like the p900 is pretty fast to operate in other ways though.
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P900 sample pictures in large size, some exif data: http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/562406403
The third picture is lovely: http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/56...68001/dscn0350 - max. optical zoom at 357mm.
Sources say that f=4.3 is possible for the P900 at this length, impressive. I also have to admit that I like these colours more than, say, the greens from my SX50.

Edit: Already four customer reviews at amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-COOLPIX-...cm_rdp_product

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mzettie, thanks for the explanation. Does sound like one could get fairly quick at that, but I find I fairly often have to switch to manual quickly, can't do it quite quickly enough, & miss a shot, even with the one dedicated switch on my HS50- it's just nice to get as much help from the camera as possible in the attempt to be speedy. Sounds like the p900 is pretty fast to operate in other ways though.
It seems you can do it backwards leave it in manual focus then it's one press to auto if you need it. The side tele button can be assigned to focus but it's very slow as I expect it would need to be.

Camera is bigger than nikon 1 v2 with 70_300 cx nice to hold. Didn't get much chance to play with it so far I like it.
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It seems you can do it backwards leave it in manual focus then it's one press to auto if you need it. The side tele button can be assigned to focus but it's very slow as I expect it would need to be.

Camera is bigger than nikon 1 v2 with 70_300 cx nice to hold. Didn't get much chance to play with it so far I like it.
Aandeg, I got my P900 today too....too late to do anything with it though. I've been trying to find my way around the menu and functions tonight, and haven't been able to make the transition from MF to AF in one step. Did you find a way to "one button" that function?
Sure would be nice if they'd put a manual focus ring on the barrel.

Like you, my initial impression is positive...but after my experience with the SX60 I want to use the camera in "real life" for awhile before passing judgement.
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Aandeg, I got my P900 today too....too late to do anything with it though. I've been trying to find my way around the menu and functions tonight, and haven't been able to make the transition from MF to AF in one step. Did you find a way to "one button" that function?
Sure would be nice if they'd put a manual focus ring on the barrel.

Like you, my initial impression is positive...but after my experience with the SX60 I want to use the camera in "real life" for awhile before passing judgement.
Put the camera in Manual Focus then when needed you can use the rotary multi selector around the ok button on the back to Auto Focus without leaving manual focus, Just press the right side of it. You have to be in the mode were you press the ok button first. It has the option to change zoom and autofocus without leaving that mode and without leaving manual focus.

So far there there seems to be 3 ways to manual focus. Rotating the ring around the ok button, using the command dial, and reassigning the zoom on the side of the lens.
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Hey guys I just to the P900 yesterday and already went out birding with it. I originally had an Olympus with 36 x zoom but quickly upgraded to the legendary Canon SX50. I also had the SX60 for a bit but had to return it because I felt it wasn't $600 better than my SX50.

Now the question is, is the P900 $700 better than my SX50? Could be, but one thing is for sure, it's definitely bigger.

I still have to play around with the settings but I'm not a very technical guy and like things to be as simple as possible. That's one of the reasons I liked the SX50 so much, I could do most things very easily on 'Auto' mode and sometimes even get great pictures. When birding the last thing I wanna do is go hunting for settings half of which I can't remember in the heat of the birding moment.

Anyway back to the P900...as mentioned it is a huge camera and also very heavy. Not sure how that is going to play out on an all-day birding adventure...but I see others with their massive SLR and lenses so I guess I could bear it.

One thing that does concern me though is how dark the images come out in auto mode. The SX50 is far superior in this regard. Now it could just be my technical ineptitude but you'd think that the default setting would be more balanced. I cannot even see what I took pictures of...no detail just complete darkness. And the lighting was fine, plus I checked on 2 different monitors and it's not that.

I'll keep playing around with the camera but if I can't solve this issue in a simple and effective manner...I'm definitely returning it.

The zoom is fantastic no doubt...it does blow the SX50 out of the water and not just in distance but also detail. Focusing is a bit wishy-washy. I tried to focus in on some very slow moving Canada Geese and I don't know how the camera did not focus on the Geese but the ground instead. With the SX50 you could lock the focus point and ensure that the auto focus would be concentrated on that point. It's very quick, simple and easy and gets even some of the fleeting birds with relative ease.

P900 shutter speed is pretty good but for something that quick and dark, you'd think it would have more detail...maybe it was just the idiotic focus.

Anyway, I'm not a technical person as I already admitted ...and maybe I'm just too used to the SX50 but I'm not giving up just yet.

Edit: I just discovered bird-watching mode...and that concentrated focus point did appear ...very similar to the SX50. Ok this gives me hope again. But the darkness I hope is solve-able too.

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Hey guys I just to the P900 yesterday and already went out birding with it. I originally had an Olympus with 36 x zoom but quickly upgraded to the legendary Canon SX50. I also had the SX60 for a bit but had to return it because I felt it wasn't $600 better than my SX50.

Now the question is, is the P900 $700 better than my SX50? Could be, but one thing is for sure, it's definitely bigger.

I still have to play around with the settings but I'm not a very technical guy and like things to be as simple as possible. That's one of the reasons I liked the SX50 so much, I could do most things very easily on 'Auto' mode and sometimes even get great pictures. When birding the last thing I wanna do is go hunting for settings half of which I can't remember in the heat of the birding moment.

Anyway back to the P900...as mentioned it is a huge camera and also very heavy. Not sure how that is going to play out on an all-day birding adventure...but I see others with their massive SLR and lenses so I guess I could bear it.

One thing that does concern me though is how dark the images come out in auto mode. The SX50 is far superior in this regard. Now it could just be my technical ineptitude but you'd think that the default setting would be more balanced. I cannot even see what I took pictures of...no detail just complete darkness. And the lighting was fine, plus I checked on 2 different monitors and it's not that.

I'll keep playing around with the camera but if I can't solve this issue in a simple and effective manner...I'm definitely returning it.

The zoom is fantastic no doubt...it does blow the SX50 out of the water and not just in distance but also detail. Focusing is a bit wishy-washy. I tried to focus in on some very slow moving Canada Geese and I don't know how the camera did not focus on the Geese but the ground instead. With the SX50 you could lock the focus point and ensure that the auto focus would be concentrated on that point. It's very quick, simple and easy and gets even some of the fleeting birds with relative ease.

P900 shutter speed is pretty good but for something that quick and dark, you'd think it would have more detail...maybe it was just the idiotic focus.

Anyway, I'm not a technical person as I already admitted ...and maybe I'm just too used to the SX50 but I'm not giving up just yet.

Edit: I just discovered bird-watching mode...and that concentrated focus point did appear ...very similar to the SX50. Ok this gives me hope again. But the darkness I hope is solve-able too.
BH, you might try setting the exposure compensation up a notch or two and leaving it there. With the camera in shoot mode (not "review" like when you're reviewing shots you just took) press the right side of the ok dial; you'll see a vertical bar with .3 gradations on it. Press the top of the ok dial and go up one, two or even three steps.....press "ok" (center of the dial) and the exposure will be set at whichever level you chose.
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BH, you might try setting the exposure compensation up a notch or two and leaving it there. With the camera in shoot mode (not "review" like when you're reviewing shots you just took) press the right side of the ok dial; you'll see a vertical bar with .3 gradations on it. Press the top of the ok dial and go up one, two or even three steps.....press "ok" (center of the dial) and the exposure will be set at whichever level you chose.
Thank you. I did discover that and tried it yesterday but while the preview seems bright, the actual pic still comes out very dark. I almost think there's something wrong with this camera. I have never seen anything so dark in my life.
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Put the camera in Manual Focus then when needed you can use the rotary multi selector around the ok button on the back to Auto Focus without leaving manual focus, Just press the right side of it. You have to be in the mode were you press the ok button first. It has the option to change zoom and autofocus without leaving that mode and without leaving manual focus.

So far there there seems to be 3 ways to manual focus. Rotating the ring around the ok button, using the command dial, and reassigning the zoom on the side of the lens.
Got it, thanks! I was thinking that right press was just to get a rough focus, to keep from having to dial so far when manually focusing....but one can just go ahead and take the shot. You do lose the focus square, so I'm not sure it'll be quite as accurate as using pinpoint AF, but it's a cool feature.
Also nice to be able to use the command dial instead of the ok ring to focus. It's certainly easier to manipulate, but I don't know yet if it's any faster than using the lever on the barrel.
Gotta get out and experiment......
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Thank you. I did discover that and tried it yesterday but while the preview seems bright, the actual pic still comes out very dark. I almost think there's something wrong with this camera. I have never seen anything so dark in my life.
That does sound very strange. You could try restoring the default settings and starting over....in case something weird happened to white balance, exposure, DR correction, etc. Other than that, only thing I can suggest is to call tech support at Nikon.
Hope you get it sorted out, must be very frustrating.
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Update: I tried the birding setting, which I'll probably use most often. Seems like it is more balanced, but then I'll be better able to tell once I get home. The shots I took yesterday also seemed fine on the camera preview but when I looked at them on the computer, I was shocked how dark they came out.

I also bought a new memory card, a much faster one. Now the 7 frames / second burst mode takes 5 seconds instead of 9. I was using a class 4 memory card before and now I have a class 10 which writes as fast as 90mb/second.

Which makes me wonder why it takes 5 seconds. If each picture is about 3.5 megabytes and we multiply that by 7, we get 24.5 megabytes...let's round it off to 30 megabytes...per second. So in theory even a 30 mb/s memory card should be able to handle these pictures in one second. Why does a 90 mb/s take 5 seconds?
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I also bought a new memory card, a much faster one. Now the 7 frames / second burst mode takes 5 seconds instead of 9. I was using a class 4 memory card before and now I have a class 10 which writes as fast as 90mb/second.

Which makes me wonder why it takes 5 seconds. If each picture is about 3.5 megabytes and we multiply that by 7, we get 24.5 megabytes...let's round it off to 30 megabytes...per second. So in theory even a 30 mb/s memory card should be able to handle these pictures in one second. Why does a 90 mb/s take 5 seconds?
The key word is 'as fast as', which means it might achieve that speed when the planets align just so, but otherwise not.
The card speed ratings are painfully optimistic in most cases. The professional grade cards which carry huge price premiums have more realistic specs and often guarantee a minimum speed. Also note that there are different read standards, most with lower maximum speeds, so the camera may be limiting the throughput, not the card.
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Looks pretty amazing specs although it also looks something of a beast - then again a bit of heft may make it better at the long end. Not sure though even in the best of conditions that you can hold a "x83" camera. Ideally my money would be on a camera with a 1" sensor and, say, x40/50 magnification .... but this has got to be worth a look!
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[...] so the camera may be limiting the throughput, not the card.
Seems so. The manual of the P900 lists various SDXC cards (Sandisk and others) that were tested and work in the camera, but nowhere mentions UHS-I. Just as the SX50 wasn't fit for UHS-I, so that it didn't really matter whether I used a mere class 10 or a 95 MByte/s card.
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Seems I have to send mine back. Cannot get any thing even remotely sharp on the long end. There is this odd pattern to any specular highlight. I do not see that in other photos from the camera, must have gotten a bad one.
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Took some more pictures today and only used the Birding mode. It's pretty good. It's still a bit dark but it's crazy how it doesn't appear dark on the display. Very misleading. I really gotta crank up the exposure tomorrow. But when the lighting is ideal (and I mean clear sky, sun right on the bird spectacular), it does a nice job.

Auto focus in birding mode is excellent, better than SX50. Quality is outstanding as well, also better than SX50. The zoom is slower than on the SX50, but the P900 turns on quicker and is ready to use quicker than the SX50. So it's almost a break-even in that aspect.

So overall I'm fairly pleased with the camera, it's not just a super-zoom...it actually is a great camera. I know it doesn't have RAW but I don't care about that...never use it.

On a negative note, I wasn't able to connect my phone to the camera. I do have a BlackBerry Passport so maybe that's why, even though I downloaded the Android app...perhaps the phone has to be a native Android device.

Oh well that's ok, but it would have been cool to share pics with the birding community as I'm birding, not just later when I get home. Right now I guess they'll just have to take my word for it.
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All these pictures are untouched:
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Seems I have to send mine back. Cannot get any thing even remotely sharp on the long end.
Sorry to hear that. Have you tried to set the noise reduction on "low"? This was a strict advice in a German forum from someone who has the P900 since March 18 and did some tests. It mirrors the results in the "Chip" test above, that the noise reduction is too aggressive.
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Sorry to hear that. Have you tried to set the noise reduction on "low"? This was a strict advice in a German forum from someone who has the P900 since March 18 and did some tests. It mirrors the results in the "Chip" test above, that the noise reduction is too aggressive.
Yes I did, each specular highlight has multiple dots in it and a weird shape. Perhaps I have one with a bad IS system.
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I think that this camera can be potentially spectacular. It's already taken some breath-taking images...under admittedly very good conditions, but it definitely surpassed the SX50.

And I think I can control the dark images by raising the exposure or shooting manually and softening the noise-reduction as well as increasing the D-Lighting. That also seemed to help.

I'll test these today and will post my results.
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So glad to hear you're happy with your camera, nice shots!
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