Join for FREE
It only takes a minute!
Magnifying the passion for nature. Zeiss Victory Harpia 95. New!

Welcome to BirdForum.
BirdForum is the net's largest birding community, dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE! You are most welcome to register for an account, which allows you to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 78 votes, 5.00 average.
Old Thursday 26th March 2015, 05:31   #51
mzettie
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 249
I've had my P900 for two days now but haven't been able to use it as much as I'd like to have. Still, I'm cautiously optimistic that it's a keeper. There are a few things that bother me, but I'm hoping to be able to work around them.
On the plus side; the zoom range is simply spectacular and autofocus is fast and accurate. The camera's big, but it's comfortable in the hand, not unwieldy. IQ seems good but conditions here have been pretty poor, so I'm withholding judgement there.
On the negative side; other than AF, performance is slow. Zooming is slow, snap-back is slow and buffering is slow. When using HS burst, buffering time seems to be about a second per shot. So if you take 3 shots you wait 3 seconds, 5 shots 5 seconds, etc. This is a lot faster than the P600, but still annoying when the bird you're shooting is cooperating, but you're waiting on the camera.
Unfortunately, tomorrow looks to be another gloomy day, but I'll take and post some pics as soon as I can.
mzettie is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 26th March 2015, 07:32   #52
petemorris
Registered User
 
petemorris's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Clitheroe, Lancashire
Posts: 826
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bird_Huszar View Post
I think that this camera can be potentially spectacular. It's already taken some breath-taking images...under admittedly very good conditions, but it definitely surpassed the SX50.

And I think I can control the dark images by raising the exposure or shooting manually and softening the noise-reduction as well as increasing the D-Lighting. That also seemed to help.

I'll test these today and will post my results.
Always check histograms in the field. Bright lcd screens can easily fool you, making you think the exposure is ok. The histogram should tell the truth!

cheers

Pete
petemorris is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 26th March 2015, 15:00   #53
Torchepot
Registered User
 
Torchepot's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Limousin France
Posts: 418
Got my hands on a p900 briefly today. Very impressed with the IS - no jumping around at full optical zoom and no pesky button to fumble for. Yes the zoom was a little slower than the sx60 but it's zooming out a lot further. IQ seems really good, myself and the salesmen took some shots then zoomed them in and I was very surprised at the quality.

It's a big beast but shorter and lighter than my dslr with 75-300 zoom, though the lens is much bigger around than any other bridge I've seen. It feels nice in the hand and the size and weight wouldn't put me off.

I don't like the buffering speed and didn't have the chance to try video out. Looking out for other users videos on line now.

Cheers,

Phil
Torchepot is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 26th March 2015, 15:57   #54
Bird_Huszar
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Torchepot View Post
Got my hands on a p900 briefly today. Very impressed with the IS - no jumping around at full optical zoom and no pesky button to fumble for. Yes the zoom was a little slower than the sx60 but it's zooming out a lot further. IQ seems really good, myself and the salesmen took some shots then zoomed them in and I was very surprised at the quality.

It's a big beast but shorter and lighter than my dslr with 75-300 zoom, though the lens is much bigger around than any other bridge I've seen. It feels nice in the hand and the size and weight wouldn't put me off.

I don't like the buffering speed and didn't have the chance to try video out. Looking out for other users videos on line now.

Cheers,

Phil
I agree with your post. Great quality and incredible IS on such a crazy zoom. And yes the buffer does kinda bother me as well. I might try to go for a 150mb/s sd card to see if that makes a difference.

It's still better than the SX50 and I still got by. The SX60 is great though, the nice buffer on that one and continuous burst almost made me keep it. But it just wasn't good enough on all the other fronts.

I do feel that the P900 is probably a keeper. Especially since I'm planning a couple of trips later this year and I do want the best tool to snap pics with for ID purposes.

Last edited by Bird_Huszar : Thursday 26th March 2015 at 16:03.
Bird_Huszar is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Sunday 29th March 2015, 04:25   #55
Bird_Huszar
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 28
This camera does not offer great low-light performance. May keep my SX50 for that.
Bird_Huszar is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Sunday 29th March 2015, 15:18   #56
HermitIbis
Registered User
 
HermitIbis's Avatar

 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Black Forest
Posts: 381
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bird_Huszar View Post
This camera does not offer great low-light performance. May keep my SX50 for that.
This doesn't sound good. I was hoping that the P900 would beat the SX50 in its "winter performance". In other respects I am still quite satisfied with the SX50, was actually planning to buy a P900 in November 2015 or so, for a lower price.

User experiences seem mixed, e.g. "even in optimum condition image quality was at best only average", seen here: http://blog.digitaldepot.co.uk/?p=2515
HermitIbis is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 30th March 2015, 07:19   #57
Bob Thompson
Registered User
 
Bob Thompson's Avatar

 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 183
I bought the camera on Saturday night, being an owner of Canon SX30, SX50 and SX60, I was expecting great results. Well on Sunday I had 3 occasions where the camera refused to switch on properly ( strange things going on in the LCD screen) I only solved the problem by taking the battery out and re-inserting it. The camera will be going to Nikon for replacement, it is strange that with all the PowerShots I have owned I have never had a problem.

Anyway I did get to take some shots for anybody interested

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jingba...7649311876104/

Bob
Bob Thompson is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 30th March 2015, 09:16   #58
anth005
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Shelocta, Pa.
Posts: 8
Here's a few I took the other day with the P900. Other than being resized they are SOOC, handheld and thru a window.

Also a couple short video clips taken with the P900 of an active bald eagle's nest
This one was 180 yards to nest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bAwUPh74Ig
This one was 220 yards to nest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F7-ZPdTq6Q
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0588-1.jpg
Views:	383
Size:	754.4 KB
ID:	537910  Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0590-1.jpg
Views:	202
Size:	718.0 KB
ID:	537911  Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0630-1.jpg
Views:	184
Size:	865.3 KB
ID:	537912  Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0593-1.jpg
Views:	157
Size:	712.5 KB
ID:	537913  Click image for larger version

Name:	DSCN0595-1.jpg
Views:	274
Size:	672.5 KB
ID:	537918  


Last edited by anth005 : Monday 30th March 2015 at 09:26.
anth005 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 30th March 2015, 16:15   #59
mzettie
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 249
Zoom example

Thought those thinking about getting this camera might like to see an example of it's zoom power. These 4 pics were all taken from the same location, I'm guessing about a half mile from the truck in the last shot.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	1-DSCN1648-001.JPG
Views:	644
Size:	895.1 KB
ID:	537963  Click image for larger version

Name:	1-DSCN1650.JPG
Views:	403
Size:	700.4 KB
ID:	537964  Click image for larger version

Name:	1-DSCN1651.JPG
Views:	391
Size:	746.2 KB
ID:	537965  Click image for larger version

Name:	1-DSCN1647-001.JPG
Views:	634
Size:	812.7 KB
ID:	537966  
mzettie is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 30th March 2015, 19:30   #60
Bird_Huszar
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by HermitIbis View Post
This doesn't sound good. I was hoping that the P900 would beat the SX50 in its "winter performance". In other respects I am still quite satisfied with the SX50, was actually planning to buy a P900 in November 2015 or so, for a lower price.

User experiences seem mixed, e.g. "even in optimum condition image quality was at best only average", seen here: http://blog.digitaldepot.co.uk/?p=2515
Careful, I think you took that quote a bit out of context. In the review he seemed to be referring to the IQ @ full 83x zoom: " I simply found the incredible zoom didn’t always deliver the goods, wasn’t always useable and even in optimum condition image quality was at best only average."

And to be honest, he's right...but that's how it goes for any megazoom camera...you're never going to get good image quality at maximum zoom. In my opinion, that's not even what it's for. The zoom is there for a quick snap of something distant that you can't quite identify. It's a tool to bring distant birds closer, help with ID and get proof of sighting.

In my opinion the image quality at normal zooms is fantastic...if a bit on the dark side...but I suppose playing with settings and photo-editing software can help out with the darkness.

Last edited by Bird_Huszar : Monday 30th March 2015 at 19:37.
Bird_Huszar is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 30th March 2015, 19:51   #61
Bird_Huszar
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 28
2 more impressions:

1. Due to its weight and length when fully extended, the lense seems to jiggle a bit in its casing. Anyone else find this?

2. This camera shoots fantastic videos. I shot a video on the weekend of fast-flying ducks and was surprised at the quality considering how fast I was moving the camera trying to keep up with them.

With the SX50, out of desparation I have in the past tried to shoot videos of birds that refused to be photographed (those skittish grass-land birds that get flushed easily), but found the video quality lacking, or at least not enough for ID purposes.

Will the P900 be enough to ID those stubborn birds? We'll see later in the summer...but one thing is for sure, it'll be a lot closer.
Bird_Huszar is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Tuesday 31st March 2015, 07:00   #62
mzettie
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 249
I'm still trying to figure out how to get consistent results from this camera. It seems to over-react to some light situations (both light and dark) which requires constant juggling....not exactly what I want to be doing when birding....BUT... the zoom is phenomenal, so I'm determined to make it work. I put some pics in a flickr folder here; https://www.flickr.com/photos/127980...7651601750306/

I haven't tried video yet, will try to do that soon if the weather cooperates.
mzettie is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Tuesday 31st March 2015, 08:23   #63
Gate Keeper
Registered User

 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by mzettie View Post
I'm still trying to figure out how to get consistent results from this camera. It seems to over-react to some light situations (both light and dark) which requires constant juggling....not exactly what I want to be doing when birding....BUT... the zoom is phenomenal, so I'm determined to make it work. I put some pics in a flickr folder here; https://www.flickr.com/photos/127980...7651601750306/

I haven't tried video yet, will try to do that soon if the weather cooperates.
Thank you for taking the time in writing this up. One does wonder, where will Nikon go from here. Perhaps a larger sensor and RAW for the next generation monster zoom. Please do keep posting.
Gate Keeper is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Tuesday 31st March 2015, 10:13   #64
Neil
Registered User

 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Hong Kong (ex Sydney)
Posts: 10,173
Quote:
Originally Posted by mzettie View Post
Thought those thinking about getting this camera might like to see an example of it's zoom power. These 4 pics were all taken from the same location, I'm guessing about a half mile from the truck in the last shot.
Very impressive. I might have to get one.
Neil.
Neil is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Tuesday 31st March 2015, 10:15   #65
Neil
Registered User

 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Hong Kong (ex Sydney)
Posts: 10,173
With all the good results shown here I new I had to get one. Picked it up today after playing around a bit with Bob's.
I hope to get out in the field with it tomorrow.
This is one of my test photos at 2,000 mm.
Neil.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	grey heron CB P900 2000mm DSCN0690.jpg
Views:	1017
Size:	302.9 KB
ID:	538032  
Neil is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Tuesday 31st March 2015, 10:52   #66
peter.jones
You may say I'm a dreamer.. but I'm not the only one

 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Hants
Posts: 1,134
I got a few results from Pennington Marshes, Hants..

https://plus.google.com/109037229823...ts/HUashoC6cdC

Little Grebe was about 8 metres away, Finches about 10metres, Rest were at the back of Fishtail Lagoon (~30metres?) Snipe was further away again. Weather was sunny.

Also tried the video, again at about 30 metres distance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnGE...tehYozPgn9-G1A

The settings can be improved to 720hd. Also, that is a Blackbird alarm call which sounds very robotic! Wondering if the zoom microphone was distorting the sounds. Will be interesting to record a singing bird and see if zoom or regular microphone works best.

I've no previous experience with Bridge cameras, coming from a DSLR, but it seems to work well. I was finding I needed to rest the camera for sharpest results at the long end, and "Birdwatching" scene mode gave me the best results. I was unable to replicate the birdwatching settings in aperture priority mode.

Peter
__________________
Blogging since 2006!: Peter Jones' Hampshire Birding diary

Last edited by peter.jones : Tuesday 31st March 2015 at 10:57.
peter.jones is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 1st April 2015, 15:40   #67
Neil
Registered User

 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Hong Kong (ex Sydney)
Posts: 10,173
Took my new toy out to the local park this afternoon and shot a few stills and video. Battery only lasted about 1.5 hours so I'll need to get another one. Camera is easy to handle and feels good in the hand. Buffer could be a bit bigger. I shot this video of the parakeet which would have been difficult to get without digiscoping. I had two guys next to me, one with a Canon 100-400 and one with a Sigma 170-500 and they were getting nothing.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7892550@N03/16999273821/
Neil
ps taking it with me to Sydney tomorrow.
Hong Kong Park,
Hong Kong,China.
1st April 2015
Neil is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 1st April 2015, 17:27   #68
mzettie
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 249
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil View Post
Took my new toy out to the local park this afternoon and shot a few stills and video. Battery only lasted about 1.5 hours so I'll need to get another one. Camera is easy to handle and feels good in the hand. Buffer could be a bit bigger. I shot this video of the parakeet which would have been difficult to get without digiscoping. I had two guys next to me, one with a Canon 100-400 and one with a Sigma 170-500 and they were getting nothing.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7892550@N03/16999273821/
Neil
ps taking it with me to Sydney tomorrow.
Hong Kong Park,
Hong Kong,China.
1st April 2015
WOW, that's gorgeous....the bird and the video! I'm so glad some experienced bird photographers have joined the P900 club. As a novice, I'm looking forward to seeing more of your expertise at work and getting feedback about the camera and your preferred settings.
mzettie is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 1st April 2015, 17:47   #69
mzettie
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 249
Forgot to say, re battery...video must really sap it. I've been impressed with battery, but then I use strictly viewfinder and keep LCD off, except for reviewing.

Buffering speed (actually, lack of!) is my main gripe, and I wish it had a button to assign digital zoom (and other functions) to, cause the lens doesn't stop automatically at 2000mm. You can turn off digital zoom but then you have to go into the menu to get it back. Probably won't need it much though, cause the reach is awesome!
mzettie is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday 1st April 2015, 18:17   #70
mzettie
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 249
Quote:
Originally Posted by peter.jones View Post
I got a few results from Pennington Marshes, Hants..

https://plus.google.com/109037229823...ts/HUashoC6cdC

Little Grebe was about 8 metres away, Finches about 10metres, Rest were at the back of Fishtail Lagoon (~30metres?) Snipe was further away again. Weather was sunny.

Also tried the video, again at about 30 metres distance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnGE...tehYozPgn9-G1A

The settings can be improved to 720hd. Also, that is a Blackbird alarm call which sounds very robotic! Wondering if the zoom microphone was distorting the sounds. Will be interesting to record a singing bird and see if zoom or regular microphone works best.

I've no previous experience with Bridge cameras, coming from a DSLR, but it seems to work well. I was finding I needed to rest the camera for sharpest results at the long end, and "Birdwatching" scene mode gave me the best results. I was unable to replicate the birdwatching settings in aperture priority mode.

Peter
Hi Peter, very nice images and videos, hope you continue to be happy with your new camera.
I come to the P900 from other bridge cameras, which makes it a little easier for me to accept it's limitations, I think. You probably won't get the image quality you've come to expect from your DSLRs, but I expect you'll love the portability.

Lots of superzoom users prefer shutter priority to aperture, as keeping speed high helps to reduce the effects of shake at very long focal lengths. Of course a mono/tripod will also do that, if you're willing to carry one.

I need to try the Birdwatching mode again. I used it early on and got a lot of slightly out-of-focus shots, which I attributed to it's not choosing a high enough shutter speed (and my shaky old hands.) Strangely though, I'm now wondering if the "spot" focus that scene mode employs was to blame. I preferred a pinpoint focus with my previous camera, but based on the experiences of other early P900 owners, I just switched to "normal," and am getting better results. That could be just an idiosyncrasy of my camera or technique, but it's easy enough to experiment with.

Hope you'll post more images and you get them, and let us know what you discover about the camera.
mzettie is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 4th April 2015, 22:40   #71
Stonefaction
Yes!
 
Stonefaction's Avatar

 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Dundee
Posts: 1,503
Got my P900 today but didn't have time to do anything other than load a battery and set the time/date before I was due to get picked up to go birding. Wasn't impressed with the image quality until I realised that I was in the digital zoom range. Tried a few shots when I got home and am impressed with the image quality on Fine setting in less than perfect light (dusk and into the light). Photo has been cropped slightly, and lightened/sharpened a bit.

Will give it a proper workout tomorrow.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	16846592070_907147c0c8_z.jpg
Views:	302
Size:	107.0 KB
ID:	538517  
Stonefaction is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Sunday 5th April 2015, 09:40   #72
Paul Higson
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: orkney
Posts: 1,096
Come on Stonefaction - its been light nearly three hours up here !!

Teetering on the brink of buying one of these to replace my Canon SX 40 - any help in pushing me over the edge would be gratefully recieved.
__________________
Cheers,

Paul Higson
Paul Higson is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Sunday 5th April 2015, 13:43   #73
Bird_Huszar
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Higson View Post
Come on Stonefaction - its been light nearly three hours up here !!

Teetering on the brink of buying one of these to replace my Canon SX 40 - any help in pushing me over the edge would be gratefully recieved.
Sometimes you gotta take a risk and see for yourself. I think every individual human being perceives an object differently. Some notice its weight, some its shape, others its colour. Same goes for this camera...some aspects of it may turn you off while others make you very happy.

All I know is that there were 3 points that this camera needed to excell in:

- Zoom - this was a given, at 83 x this camera blows my Canon SX50 out of the water

- IS - the IS is simply incredible...at full 83 zoom I can hardly believe how stable it is (all handheld). It destroys the SX60 which was supposed to be the next gen superzoom but failed miserably largely because of a useless IS.

- IQ - simply amazing. I've already gotten detail and colours out of this camera that I know would have been impossible with my SX50.

Now mind you I'm not a hardcore user and some might accuse me of not fully exploiting the SX50's abiliites. But I'm a birder first and a photographer second. I don't go out there to take pictures, I go out there to bird and if I see something I like or something that needs ID'ing, well that's why I bring my camera along.
Bird_Huszar is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Sunday 5th April 2015, 16:40   #74
Paul Higson
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: orkney
Posts: 1,096
Bird_Huszar,

I prefer others to take the risk first . . . .

Was going to upgrade to the SX 60 but sat and waited and watched for a while - glad I did now.

I am a birder first and a photographer second - sounds like we have similar approaches/needs when it comes to photography.

Have seen some photos of birds in the middle of bushes taken by the 900- pin sharp.

Time to get the credit card out I think !!
__________________
Cheers,

Paul Higson
Paul Higson is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Sunday 5th April 2015, 16:49   #75
mzettie
Registered User

 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 249
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Higson View Post
Come on Stonefaction - its been light nearly three hours up here !!

Teetering on the brink of buying one of these to replace my Canon SX 40 - any help in pushing me over the edge would be gratefully recieved.
I agree with BH, in that people's needs and perceptions are very different. Some love the SX60; I had a miserable time with it, even though I'm a long time SX50 user. That makes it hard for me to tell someone else to take the leap; all I can do is tell you what my experience has been so far.

The camera's big, but comfortable to use. I have neck problems so I wear it on a harness that distributes the weight on my shoulders....can bird all day like this.
I went from the SX30 straight to the SX50 and that was a "WOW" moment for me, cause speed was so improved on the new camera. The P900's auto focus is fast, but in every other way it's performance is sluggish compared to the SX60. However, the zoom and quality of the lens is so good it's worth working around. (IMHO)
Unlike BH, I prefer my Canon's color, but this too takes a back seat to reach and image quality. Color can be manipulated in PP, and there may be "pictures" settings that could tweak it in-camera....haven't gotten that far yet.
I don't like the layout of the camera much either. Why would you put "night scene" on the dial, and bury "sports mode" in the menu.....which one is more likely to necessitate quick access.....? Grrr.
Another gripe is that the zoom doesn't automatically stop at 2000mm, making it easy to go into digital zoom without meaning to. You can turn off digital zoom, but then you have to go into the menu to retrieve it.

I could bellyache about small things all day, but the bottom line is I'm getting better pictures than I was with my SX50, despite it's slowness and my ineptitude. Maybe these sorts of functional issues would matter a great deal to you, maybe not. That's why at some point you'll have to decide for yourself.

I put some more pics (birds and others) on flickr, here's a link to the photostream;https://www.flickr.com/photos/127980...h/16365836573/
PS, SX50 pics start with the bluebird with the ugly bug in it's bill.
mzettie is offline  
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Reply


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Nikon ED50 tripod socket design & excellent Nikon USA customer service Alexis Powell Nikon 20 Friday 16th November 2012 20:40

{googleads}

Fatbirder's Top 1000 Birding Websites

Help support BirdForum

Page generated in 0.28013492 seconds with 35 queries
All times are GMT. The time now is 08:04.