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Old Thursday 2nd June 2016, 21:05   #26
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nice pictures. I struggle with the V1 for birds in flight - as much due to the 800mm equivalent magnification with the 300mm PF !

Also I'm afraid that your falcon in a Kestrel, rather than a red-foot.
Thanks für the hint, you are right, it was only a Kestrel gilded by the evening light. Only now I've looked into my copy of Beaman/Madge and see that the female red-footed falcon looks very different indeed.

My go-to guru Thomas Stirr has recommended to turn the VR off for BIF, since this makes it easier to keep the frame on the bird. Maybe he is right? So far I prefer to use the VR, being too lazy to change it back for perched birds.

When I bought the V2, I wrongly assumed that the "Smart Photo Selector" would be a great feature: that focusing on a stationary bird and half-pressing the shutter button would almost guarantee to catch the moment when the bird takes off. But nope - Nikon had other ideas. BIF with small birds remains difficult.
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... and the rest. Hmm, the background looks a bit grainy, maybe I've "oversharpened". - PS. The birds were about 8 meters away.
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Old Friday 3rd June 2016, 05:48   #28
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nice pictures. I struggle with the V1 for birds in flight - as much due to the 800mm equivalent magnification with the 300mm PF !
That's why I prefer a zoom on the V1. I use the 70-300 Nikkor, and I find I normally use no more than the equivalent of 600mm for BIF.

That said, the 300 PF is quite something ...

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Old Sunday 3rd July 2016, 18:28   #29
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That's why I prefer a zoom on the V1. I use the 70-300 Nikkor, and I find I normally use no more than the equivalent of 600mm for BIF. That said, the 300 PF is quite something ...
In another thread I had posted about a "comparison shooting" when my Canon 450D at a focal length of 700mm took decent BIF photos, much superior to what I got with a SX50 at 1200mm. In most cases an equivalent of 600 or 700mm would be enough for BIF. That said, I am pretty satisfied with the V2/ CX70-300's ability, it delivers reliably at 810mm.

A detailed article by Fredrik Glockner titled "Nikon 300mm f/4E PF used on Nikon 1 cameras" came to the conclusion that his set-up Nikon V3 + FT1 + Nikon 300 PF is superior in many respects to the CX70-300 lens, except one: BIF. He says:
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[T]he f/5.6 [of the CX70-300] means that I have to go home earlier than the other guys when photographing birds in the evening. Adding one more stop with the Nikon 300mm f/4E sure does help! The lens is not ideal for birds in flight, as you must pinpoint the bird in the very centre to achieve focus, but for stationary birds, it works very well.
The same author had written another piece on using the CX 70-300 for BIF.

By the way, Thomas Stirr prefers the AF of the Nikon V2 over the V3's, while Glockner doesn't see a big difference:
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As far as I know, the V2 and V3 are similar in terms of focus performance, and both are pretty much equally fast in terms of framerate. So the choice between the two comes down to economics
Recent photos, to demonstrate that the camera does OK, only hampered by user errors. Shooting the juvenile hobby with 1/1600 sec and no exposure correction as a dark silhouette against the bright sky - lousy skills!
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Old Saturday 9th July 2016, 09:58   #30
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Grey wagtails, kind of a courtship flight. From the series of 48 consecutive shots, taken within 3 seconds, four were blurry (no 1-3 and no 7). I've selected 15, to show that I have no unfair bias to one wagtail species.
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Part two.
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Old Tuesday 19th July 2016, 12:02   #33
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For larger birds, ducks and beyond, in most cases 1/1600 sec will be sufficient for sharp BIFs. For Swallows, Swifts or Terns 1/2000 sec or perhaps 1/2500 sec is necessary. The series above (Grey wagtails) was shot with 1/3200 sec. The smaller the birds, of the "fluttering" kind, the faster the shutter speed. For wagtails hunting flies over the water, even 1/3200 sec isn't enough to freeze the wings. As an example, I add a Sparrow sequence taken with 1/4000 sec and 30 fps. The wing isn't completely frozen.
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Old Friday 22nd July 2016, 08:36   #34
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Both shots with V1 and Nikkor 70-300.

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Thanks for sharing!

Below: five photos from today, taken in a public park.

Lately I've bought a Nikon J5 & 1Nikkor 30-110mm (used, for a modest price), mainly intended as a solution for macros. This camera doesn't have an EVF, so it won't be great for BIF. Anyway, in specific situations like today (public park, birds about 8m away) focusing with the back screen may be worth trying.
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Old Tuesday 26th July 2016, 13:01   #36
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As i mentioned earlier i was waiting for the GX8 and 100-400,well i got the GX8 but ime still waiting for the lens,at the moment ime using a 45-175,i have had a few 6fps action shots but none worth keeping so ime sticking with standard BIF until the new lens arrives.
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The Heron sailing narrowly over your garden furniture reminds me of gull acrobatics shot a while ago.
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My Nikon J5 works nicely, mainly as a macro tool and an alternative to the V2. The first photo shows my two main set-ups at their largest extension: the V2 and the "birding choice" CX70-300 are 29.5 cm long (996g), the J5 set up for macros with three Kooka extension tubes plus 30-110mm lens measures 20.5cm (567g). - Some sample photos, all taken with the J5. While I'd prefer the Nikon V2 with its bright EVF for birds in flight, it is possible to use the CX70-300 on the J5 for birds in specific situations, as demonstrated by the last three photos
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My Nikon J5 was originally purchased for macros and stationary birds. In both cases I am very satisfied with the results (photo 1). Attached to an external viewfinder (Tarion TR-V1), the camera even produces attractive BIF images, as illustrated by the four consecutive shots from a longer sequence of a hunting Blackccap. These photos are roughly 100% crops, i.e. each is a 1600x1060 pixels segment in the larger originals.
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A couple of photos from Monday. Mostly fishing in a distance of 30m, my resident kingfishers are often too far away for good shots. I am getting used to the Tarion viewfinder on my J5, but it is still a challenge to catch fast action. - The first two photos below are from the Nikon V2, the others from the J5.
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Anti-aliasing filter

Just for fun: a duck feeding from the ground of a river (first photo). - I was a little disappointed that a series of Kingfisher shots didn't show a lot of feather detail. An older photo with a Canon SX50 had done better, at least in this respect. In both cases the distance to the bird was a little below 10m. The morning light gave the Canon some advantage over the Nikon V2 that struggled in harsher light. Still, I wonder whether the lack of detail isn't mainly caused by the anti-aliasing filter in the V2? That would be a reason to prefer the J5 (which lacks an AA filter) in many situations. Or I might need to get a V3. - If the bird is close enough (3rd photo), the V2 is able to deliver...

I liked how the 70-300CX kept the Red kite in focus, even when the bird sailed for several seconds over the trees. - Sometimes the Nikon J5 behaves surprisingly different from the V2, one might almost suspect that it had been developed by another department. Two observations: With the V2 I can leave the battery in the camera for a few days without shooting. On the other side it seems that an inactive J5 empties the battery in a few days. - The V2 has the ability to override the distance limiter of the 70-300CX lens. It seems that the J5 is lacking the same ability, this new camera is less "intelligent" than the older device.
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Just for fun: a duck feeding from the ground of a river (first photo). - I was a little disappointed that a series of Kingfisher shots didn't show a lot of feather detail. An older photo with a Canon SX50 had done better, at least in this respect. In both cases the distance to the bird was a little below 10m. The morning light gave the Canon some advantage over the Nikon V2 that struggled in harsher light. Still, I wonder whether the lack of detail isn't mainly caused by the anti-aliasing filter in the V2? That would be a reason to prefer the J5 (which lacks an AA filter) in many situations. Or I might need to get a V3. - If the bird is close enough (3rd photo), the V2 is able to deliver...

I liked how the 70-300CX kept the Red kite in focus, even when the bird sailed for several seconds over the trees. - Sometimes the Nikon J5 behaves surprisingly different from the V2, one might almost suspect that it had been developed by another department. Two observations: With the V2 I can leave the battery in the camera for a few days without shooting. On the other side it seems that an inactive J5 empties the battery in a few days. - The V2 has the ability to override the distance limiter of the 70-300CX lens. It seems that the J5 is lacking the same ability, this new camera is less "intelligent" than the older device.
You can see with your dove image that the detail is there. But it's also a good example of the narrow Depth-of-field that you get digiscoping. The start of the beak and forehead is in sharp focus but the eye isn't. Sometimes this is hard to see in the field so I often tweak the focus back and forth a bit to get a range of focus points. I think that's the problem with the Kingfisher shot. It looks to me if the bird is a tad out-of-focus as the little leaf at the back seems to be where the focus is. I find if I focus on the feet the head will be in the same focus plane but if I focus on the breast it may not be. Of course best to focus on the head but birds head are often moving fast so this can be difficult.
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Could you guys experienced with the Nikon 1 system (J5 and V3) please tell me what is the maximum (numerically high) wide open aperture using FX and DX lenses via the FT-1 adapter, that will AF, and how many points and where? Is f6.3 or f8 possible? Is it quick and usable, or prone to hunting? Also is it correct that this adapter can't be used with TC's? Many thanks.


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I have a V2 and FT1,i only used it with the 70-300 and 55-300 from nikon,i did use it with the Sigma 150-600 C,50-500 and 120-400.
I only got center focus point but AF and IS worked with all lenses (no AFC as far as i know) and i have to say pretty good,it surprised me that with the 150-600 i could hand hold it.
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You can see with your dove image that the detail is there. But it's also a good example of the narrow Depth-of-field that you get digiscoping. The start of the beak and forehead is in sharp focus but the eye isn't. Sometimes this is hard to see in the field so I often tweak the focus back and forth a bit to get a range of focus points. I think that's the problem with the Kingfisher shot. It looks to me if the bird is a tad out-of-focus as the little leaf at the back seems to be where the focus is. I find if I focus on the feet the head will be in the same focus plane but if I focus on the breast it may not be. Of course best to focus on the head but birds head are often moving fast so this can be difficult.
Keep having fun.
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Many thanks for the advice, Neil. Your post reminds me of the fun that I had with my digiscoping attempts. In this case I wasn't using the scope, just the Nikon V2 + 70-300CX lens, plus extension tubes. The dove was only 1m away and was very patient. So I took dozens of shots: feet, head, with and without extension tubes. Mainly to find out how much magnification the extension tubes gave me in such a situation and with this lens. The answer was: about twice the magnification as the 70-300CX alone.

You are right, the dove's eye wasn't in focus. Here is another image from the series, no crop. Plus the feet. - I had only a few seconds with this kingfisher, maybe I focused on the long beak... Anyway, this photo may be slightly better. - The lack of feather detail also has to do with the 1/1600 sec speed at iso 1600, as I was hoping to catch the bird in BIF. Still, I think I might prefer the J5 with kingfishers in the future. The colours should be easier to handle with a better sensor.
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Could you guys experienced with the Nikon 1 system (J5 and V3) please tell me what is the maximum (numerically high) wide open aperture using FX and DX lenses via the FT-1 adapter, that will AF, and how many points and where? Is f6.3 or f8 possible? Is it quick and usable, or prone to hunting? Also is it correct that this adapter can't be used with TC's? Many thanks.
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Sorry, I don't have the FT-1, nor do I have any experience with Nikon FX or DX. Since nikonmike mentions the Sigma 150-600 Contemporary, you might read this practice report, although it covers the "Sport" version of the lens, not the "C". The experience sounds positive enough, and other sources seem to confirm that the "C" cooperates just as well with the FT-1.

An older article by Thomas Stirr is also worth reading. But in the meantime things have changed a little: first, there was a firmware upgrade, so that AF-C is now available with the FT-1. Second, the 70-300CX lens entered the scene, and in later articles Stirr has often expressed his preference of this lightweight alternative.
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Thanks for the replies Nmike and Hermit

I read through the links - interesting that AF compatibility is a bit variable, though it seems like given the right firmware it should work with all f6.3 lenses. I don't think the Sport makes sense, but the 150-600 Contemporary, (and new Tamron?) would be interesting propositions. In the sample pictures, I think the lack of improvement in image detail above 500mm (X2.7) is because of these lenses relative softness at the 600mm end, and the technique required at this ~1600mm eq length.

I wonder if the Nikon 1's would function with the 800mm f5.6? .... With its built in 1.25xTC that would make its 1000mm f7.1 an insane 2700mm eq f7.1 !!

It seems strange that the 1's wouldn't work with TC's at least at up to around this f number .... maybe it's just firmware issues?

Btw, Hermit - nice results with the native CX telezoom
From what I have seen poking around on review sites etc, the iq of the J5 sensor seems right up there with the Sony RX10 III.


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Thanks for the replies Nmike and Hermit

I read through the links - interesting that AF compatibility is a bit variable, though it seems like given the right firmware it should work with all f6.3 lenses. I don't think the Sport makes sense, but the 150-600 Contemporary, (and new Tamron?) would be interesting propositions. In the sample pictures, I think the lack of improvement in image detail above 500mm (X2.7) is because of these lenses relative softness at the 600mm end, and the technique required at this ~1600mm eq length.

I wonder if the Nikon 1's would function with the 800mm f5.6? .... With its built in 1.25xTC that would make its 1000mm f7.1 an insane 2700mm eq f7.1 !!

It seems strange that the 1's wouldn't work with TC's at least at up to around this f number .... maybe it's just firmware issues?

Btw, Hermit - nice results with the native CX telezoom
From what I have seen poking around on review sites etc, the iq of the J5 sensor seems right up there with the Sony RX10 III.


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A couple of points i never got any Tamron lens to work and i dont know of any one that did,i never updated the firmware because i read some owners got screwed as it stopped working with some sigma lenses,if you check the Nikon site i think they stopped the latest 1 series working with some long lenses,
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A couple of points i never got any Tamron lens to work and i dont know of any one that did,i never updated the firmware because i read some owners got screwed as it stopped working with some sigma lenses,if you check the Nikon site i think they stopped the latest 1 series working with some long lenses,
Mike I checked the website, and indeed the 'System Chart' lists the J5 as NOT working with the Nikkor 400/2.8 FL, and the 800/5.6 among others. No mention of compatibility with third party lenses ....

It seems strange that Nikon would deliberately hobble the performance and versatility of its "1" system by not ensuring compatibility with longer Nikkor or 3rd Party lenses and TC's (or maybe not so strange with Nikons marketing men and bean counters ensuring neat silos so as not to tread on the toes of its DSLR businesses). The potential for relatively light weight systems (using the Tammy, Siggy, Nikon PF's, etc) at lengths longer than the CX tele zoom is absolutely huge. You would think that a newish format struggling for traction would jump at the chance!


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You shouldn't have any trouble with the long Sigma zooms,i had a original Tamron 150-600 and the V2 would not recognize it,Nikon have now said they have not discontinued the 1 series,in what way it will remain they have not said.
If Nikon had shown signs of taking the system further i would not have bought into m4/3 but its too late now.
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