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Old Sunday 17th July 2016, 15:17   #1
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Sony RX10iii for birding/wildlife

After a couple of weeks of research on how to replace my much loved but ageing Canon SX50 I took the plunge on Friday and bought a Sony RX10iii on the day the new stock arrived in Hong Kong. My motivation was to try to increase the overall image quality by moving to a camera with a larger sensor, even at the expense of the excellent telephoto zoom range of the SX50.

This morning was my first chance to give it a try, and while it is clear I have much to learn about finding the right settings - and indeed how to use the camera at all - I was delighted to nail a few decent shots.

These are of course common parkland birds that allow close approach, so did not really test the full capabilities of the RX10iii, but they did provide an indication of the exciting potential of this new camera.


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After a couple of weeks of research on how to replace my much loved but ageing Canon SX50 I took the plunge on Friday and bought a Sony RX10iii ....


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Hi Mike,
I am thinking of splashing out on an RX10 111 for an up-coming trip. Were the shots on your Sokoke Forest thread taken with this camera? Were they (and the ones above) shot in RAW?
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About time I got this thread going again. First up, some pix from my summer trip to Kenya.

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And a few mammals from the same trip.
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Some cracking pictures there. You seem to be getting the best out of the camera. Have you had much chance to use the clear image zoom, and if so, what are your thoughts?

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Many thanks Malcolm.

To be honest the mammals are relatively easy as you can pretty much drive up to them. The sterner test comes with trying to nail passerines in cluttered habitats and worse air quality in Hong Kong

Clear image zoom is my default setting, but I have also just started to play with Smart Zoom, which provides:
1. an additional 4x magnification when you reduce image size to small (5 mega pixels) - equivalent of 2400mm and
2,. an additional 2.4x magnification when image size is set to Medium (10 mega pixels) - equivalent to about 1400mm

The shot of the Black-headed Buntings was taken on this high zoom/small size setting.

The Forest Wagtail shows the capability for attractive shots in low light, and the Crested Goshawk, which was taken in the same woodland, and a shot I'm really pleased with, the ability to get really sharp images in variable light.

By way of contrast the two wader shots were in very different light conditions, but from the same site (Pui O).

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Many thanks Malcolm.

To be honest the mammals are relatively easy as you can pretty much drive up to them. The sterner test comes with trying to nail passerines in cluttered habitats and worse air quality in Hong Kong

Clear image zoom is my default setting, but I have also just started to play with Smart Zoom, which provides:
1. an additional 4x magnification when you reduce image size to small (5 mega pixels) - equivalent of 2400mm and
2,. an additional 2.4x magnification when image size is set to Medium (10 mega pixels) - equivalent to about 1400mm

The shot of the Black-headed Buntings was taken on this high zoom/small size setting.

The Forest Wagtail shows the capability for attractive shots in low light, and the Crested Goshawk, which was taken in the same woodland, and a shot I'm really pleased with, the ability to get really sharp images in variable light.

By way of contrast the two wader shots were in very different light conditions, but from the same site (Pui O).

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Hi Mike,

Finally bought a Sony RX10 III and received it today. Appallingly gloomy, rainy weather so didn't take it outside. My first shot was this Woodpigeon taken through a patio window at 1/250, 600mm, 5000 ISO and was hand held. Looking forward to learning much more about the intricacies of this camera.

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Smile

Getting the hang of this camera a little more. Still groping around a bit though. Some nice subjects this weekend in decent weather. All handheld at 600mm. The Barn Owl was taken in approaching darkness at dusk, not brilliant but only 1/13th second exposure.

(The preening Snow Buntings on posts were taken with an iPhone down a telescope, but included because I like the photo )

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Some great shots John, and many thanks to etudiant for your kind words - high praise indeed!

John - the pigeon is a fine shot through glass, you've caught the Waxwing in a great pose and that owl is really evocative.

Stephen Ingraham has written about using the RX10iii to shoot birds in flight here:

http://psnp.lightshedder.com/?p=998

He helpfully includes his settings.

Shooting owls in flight at night is way beyond the level of my ambitions right now but I did get my first reasonable shots of a BIF a few days ago - of an Oriental Pratincole on my airport patch. I did better when it was on the ground and typically confiding.

I almost forgot I was also pleased with my BIF shot of a Siberian Crane - something of a mega in HK!

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Thanks for the comments Mike and also the useful link to birds in flight photography.

I am mainly a point and click photographer and wondered if you could offer any advice on your preferred settings.

One thing I notice is this camera seems to be battery hungry. I have bought an external charger and a couple of spares but, as I predominantly use the electronic view finder, I would also like to disable the the monitor 'live view' whilst shooting to preserve battery life.
I have bought the Kindle version of Alexander White's book and am aware that it is possible to switch the monitor on and off via the menu (fig 7-39). However, this also means that images cannot be reviewed until the monitor is switched on again.
One alternative that should be possible it to add 'monitor on/off' to a function button but I haven't worked it out yet. Have you tried this or hit on any solution to improve battery life.

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Dont know the camera but can you view the images in the EVF.
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Yes nikonmike - the RX series can both shoot and play back images in the EVF or LCD...when playing back images, you can zoom in, move around, etc through the EVF just like on the LCD.
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Thanks Nikonmike and Zackiedawg, You are correct and the full display is visible through the EVF when the monitor is disabled. In an ideal world I would like to turn off the monitor to save battery but have it instantly available when reviewing.

I have discovered that 'Deactivate Monitor' is assignable to a function button - I used 'Down' on the control wheel and this now acts as a toggle on/off switch. Trouble is that, in use, if you brush near the eye sensor with hand or clothing it automatically re-activates. Still it is a partway solution to preserving battery life.
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I use the system on my m4/3 because i need reading glasses for some of the info on the lcd.
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Very much a point and shoot guy myself John.

This week is a little intense, but I have a 9-day break starting Saturday and will map out all my settings - all though most of them are straight out of the factory.

I struggle to find the patience to do well with manuals and am keen to figure out how to switch with one button between high and media or low quality so that I can grab the extra zoom reach more quickly when needed.

I would also like to know where the zoom assist is as I miss this feature from my Canon SX50.

Here's a couple of shots from a work trip to Dubai in October.

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Very much a point and shoot guy myself John.

This week is a little intense, but I have a 9-day break starting Saturday and will map out all my settings - all though most of them are straight out of the factory.

I struggle to find the patience to do well with manuals and am keen to figure out how to switch with one button between high and media or low quality so that I can grab the extra zoom reach more quickly when needed.

I would also like to know where the zoom assist is as I miss this feature from my Canon SX50.

Here's a couple of shots from a work trip to Dubai in October.

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Hi Mike,

I am very much a novice with this camera but I think what you want (Zoom Assist) is not in the up-front menus, you have to dig deeper and assign to a function key.

Try this,
In the second block of menu functions (the cog wheel symbol) go to Menu 5
Scroll down to Custom Key (Shoot.)
Choose a button to customise, I chose Custom Button 3
You now see a whole new range of customisable options
Keep scrolling down and select to Zoom Assist

Now, when C3 is pressed it zooms in but, for me, not far enough

Unhelpfully the 'range of zoom assist' is placed in an entirely different part of the menu system.

Go to the first block of menu functions (camera symbol)
Across to Menu 6
Scroll down to Rng. of Zoom Assist
Mine was set on S and I changed it to L

Hope this helps, just sat at my computer and not had a chance to try it in the field yet.

I assume your second query related to quickly changing from Optical Zoom to Clear Image Zoom or Digital Zoom. I also would like to assign this to a custom button but have not yet found out how. Anyone else out there have a solution?

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I should have added that for reasons known only to Sony longer, or shorter, lists of customisable functions are available depending on which button you assign. Zoom Assist is not on all customisable menus (Cannot be assigned to 'Left' on the centre wheel for example). Complicated isn't it?

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Many thanks John - just the kind of thing I don't have the application to figure out myself!

Will definitely try this out over the Christmas break. I'm off in pursuit of Hong Kong's second ever Buff-breasted Sandpiper this morning!

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It turns out my camera has button C1 pre-set to zoom assist - if only I'd known!

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How does this camera do in " hunting" birds in shrubs? Is the camera smart enough to focus on the birds and not intervening branches?
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The best method is to switch to manual focus and hence is ok for stationary birds, but very difficult if the target is moving.

Also - here's my best efforts of the Buff-breasted Sandpiper - a fishpond bottom composed of rain-spattered fish turd hardly makes for an attractive background!

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Hi Oscar,

As Mike says, best to switch to manual. But there is a half-way house setting available - Digital Manual Focus.

With DMF a half press of the shutter uses autofocus then you can fine tune the focus manually using the focus ring. I have only taken a couple of shots using this (See attached Grey Heron where autofocus was on the twigs then I tried to get the eye and bill in focus manually. It was a fair distance away, on a very overcast day and beyond the 600mm optical zoom range (into 2x ClearView option so equiv. of 1200mm), none of which exactly help.

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