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Old Sunday 6th November 2016, 22:31   #51
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That "comparison" is a bit of a joke because they're comparing JPEGs SOOC, so in effect they're looking more at the quality of the JPEG-engine than anything else. Things will only get interesting when people start looking at the RAWS. I've yet to see a camera where one can't get better results than the in-built JPEG-engine when working on the RAWs.

And for bird photography the main question will be how well AF-C works. The 7DII is pretty good, the D500 is class-leading, and if the Olympus can get to at least the level of the Canon they may well make some inroads into bird photography.

If they don't most people won't be bothered at that price level.

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Many people actually shoot JPG:s so it's not a joke.
Studio lighting is not that demanding though. IRL low light shots might be more revealing.

AF performance seem to be very good, it needs to be at 18 fps.
Haven't heard much on AF low light performance though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4rz6f3d6-4

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AF performance seem to be very good, it needs to be at 18 fps.
Haven't heard much on AF low light performance though.
Low light AF seems to improved.

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Jpgs and raw apart I have read that the jpgs are sot in RGB. There's so much to take into account.
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The image samples look to me like what I expected, i.e., comparing 100% pixels from the old vs. new cameras, we see only a very small improvement to image quality--it might even be so small it is hard to see when pixel peeping, BUT they are delivering this with smaller pixels, so after the larger E-M1 MarkII images are reduced to the same size as the E-M1, the image quality difference will probably be more apparent. But even with that, I don't expect a night and day difference, just an incremental improvement, including a tiny bit more detail.

And of course the camera offers a number of other improved features, but like others, I'm most anxious to see objective real world tests to assess how much better the C-AF tracking is... On that I'm still hopeful we will see be a bigger step forward.

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Some good information here on C-AF.

http://www.mirrorlessons.com/2016/11...ons-andalucia/
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Some good information here on C-AF.

http://www.mirrorlessons.com/2016/11...ons-andalucia/
Indeed a lot of interesting info:

"The continuous autofocus gave me a positive impression as well but I need more time with the camera to understand how good it is. I think it is on the same level as other mirrorless such as the Fuji X-T2 and a6300/a6500 except for video where the focus is slower.

I don’t expect the image quality to be much better than what we’ve seen from the latest Micro Four Thirds cameras. From what I’ve seen so far, it seems to be at the top of its class, especially in terms of dynamic range and low-light performance."
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More raw-examples here (also ACR processed examples to compare with Jpg):

https://www.dpreview.com/samples/732...amples-gallery

Much better details retained in the ACR processed examples. It's not a Nikon D5 but
up to ISO1600 it looks pretty good. Even ISO3200 looks fairly usable.

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... but is it a D500??? That would be a better comparison.
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I have not seen mention of the Robin Wong review here (or I overlooked it). https://robinwong.blogspot.my/2016/1...ii-review.html

In there he 1) admits to be a nob regarding c-AF, and 2) he shows a series at a moto-GP shot with the 300 mm lens. The other series I have seen have been with shorter lenses.

In his follow up blog, he mentioned that it is now possible to shoot manual with auto-iso with exposure compensation, something people have complained about in the past.

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Old Thursday 10th November 2016, 18:13   #60
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I have not seen mention of the Robin Wong review here (or I overlooked it). https://robinwong.blogspot.my/2016/1...ii-review.html

In there he 1) admits to be a nob regarding c-AF, and 2) he shows a series at a moto-GP shot with the 300 mm lens. The other series I have seen have been with shorter lenses.

In his follow up blog, he mentioned that it is now possible to shoot manual with auto-iso with exposure compensation, something people have complained about in the past.

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The fast sequence shots look sharp, the parrot for example, small format samples though.
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The CAF looks good but i would kill for light like that.
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I have not seen mention of the Robin Wong review here (or I overlooked it). https://robinwong.blogspot.my/2016/1...ii-review.html

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12-100mm and the mk2, kuala lumpur towers. 5 seconds, handheld. That's ridiculous.
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I agree. Glad I sold my stock in Berlebach!
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I agree. Glad I sold my stock in Berlebach!
perhaps they bought and miniaturised the Berlebach and put it inside ;-)
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Cash back in Japan

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New review here from MirrorLessons:

http://www.43rumors.com/extended-e-m...mirrorlessons/

http://www.mirrorlessons.com/2016/11...ons-andalucia/

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Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II added to studio comparison scene at Dpreview.com (RAW-files comparison):

https://www.dpreview.com/news/498464...mparison-scene

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Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II added to studio comparison scene at Dpreview.com (RAW-files comparison):

https://www.dpreview.com/news/498464...mparison-scene
After looking at the comparison (D500 included), I wonder if not the Fujifilm X-T2 is the high-ISO winner. Very good details and sharpness even at ISO 12800, both in JPG and RAW. Very low color-noise in the highlights also. A bit baked RAW-files probably but the result is very good. The 24MP helps I guess.

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After looking at the comparison (D500 included), I wonder if not the Fujifilm X-T2 is the high-ISO winner. Very good details and sharpness even at ISO 12800, both in JPG and RAW. Very low color-noise in the highlights also. A bit baked RAW-files probably but the result is very good. The 24MP helps I guess.
Some cautions about using DPReview shots to make fine distinctions are described here:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58671918

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Some cautions about using DPReview shots to make fine distinctions are described here:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58671918
"proceed with extreme caution when trying to d-raw conclusions from the DPR studio comparison shots."

I agree, don't try those E-M1 II RAW files at home kids...at least use ear plugs, noise might occur at high ISO.

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The rumor site led me to the full review at DPReview: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/oly...d-e-m1-mark-ii
On the last page, try to add say Canon's 7Dii to the comparison tool!

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The rumor site led me to the full review at DPReview: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/oly...d-e-m1-mark-ii
On the last page, try to add say Canon's 7Dii to the comparison tool!

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Close call, but 7d II gets better in value for money.

What is strange is that the old EM1 I gets better points in image quality than the EM1 II. And the EM1 II only is 1% better in total.

My conclusion is that the EM1 II is overpriced.
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Here are some comments from the review.

"The E-M1 II's autofocus system sets a new benchmark for mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras, but isn't without its flaws. Continuous autofocus at 18 fps using a single point or group of points results in a very good hit rate, though continuous autofocus tracking during those bursts is somewhat less reliable. You will sometimes have a nearly 100% hit rate, but sometimes the system will get distracted and shoot off to the background halfway through the burst (this happened regardless of what our 'C-AF Lock' setting was, but be sure to experiment with it depending on your shooting situation). Importantly, auto focus acquisition for tracking is very, very fast, so if the camera does lose focus during a burst, you can quickly release the shutter and half-press again to re-initiate focus on your intended subject."
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Here are some comments from the review.

"The E-M1 II's autofocus system sets a new benchmark for mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras, but isn't without its flaws. Continuous autofocus at 18 fps using a single point or group of points results in a very good hit rate, though continuous autofocus tracking during those bursts is somewhat less reliable. You will sometimes have a nearly 100% hit rate, but sometimes the system will get distracted and shoot off to the background halfway through the burst (this happened regardless of what our 'C-AF Lock' setting was, but be sure to experiment with it depending on your shooting situation). Importantly, auto focus acquisition for tracking is very, very fast, so if the camera does lose focus during a burst, you can quickly release the shutter and half-press again to re-initiate focus on your intended subject."
Sounds like "yes, the C-AF is better than with any previous M4/3 camera, but still not really at the level of a top DSLR, like the Canon 7DII or the Nikon D500". That's a far cry from why Olympus claimed in their advertising before the camera was released which made it sound like the Olympus is running circles around any and every DSLR.

But at least C-AF, it seems, is usable for "fast moving objects" (like birds), so they seem to be getting there, albeit slowly. What remains to be seen though is what experienced bird photographers make of the Olympus in the field, especially people who know the top DSLRs well.

Interesting times, because even though cameras with larger sensors have some clear advantages when it comes to IQ, there's no doubt in my mind that for birdwatchers smaller sensors with their crop factor is an interesting proposition. I for one wouldn't like to carry a 4/500mm all day - in addition to my binoculars, scope and tripod.

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