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Old Wednesday 7th December 2016, 15:19   #26
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Hopefully June 2016 or July 2024 and sent back in time.
Oh noooo...no Mark II for another 8 years?!

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I might have one of the oldest pairs. If I remember right, I bought them fairly quickly after they were released, but that was a long time ago and I can't remember clearly. I know it was after 2004.

I have an 8 digit serial number starting in 0410.

I'm going to try to find some record of buying them, but anyone have any idea on how to convert an 8 digit serial number? It does not follow the coding of my lenses.

ps... they still work excellent, I'm surprised more people don't use them. I think the weight (10x42 version), must be the main issue.
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I might have one of the oldest pairs. If I remember right, I bought them fairly quickly after they were released, but that was a long time ago and I can't remember clearly. I know it was after 2004.

I have an 8 digit serial number starting in 0410.

I'm going to try to find some record of buying them, but anyone have any idea on how to convert an 8 digit serial number? It does not follow the coding of my lenses.

ps... they still work excellent, I'm surprised more people don't use them. I think the weight (10x42 version), must be the main issue.
ETV,

Unfortunately, your "receipt of purchase" may be the only way to accurately determine their age. In my dealings with Canon USA (and there were several), they have a pat answer of, "the SN means nothing to us...only Canon OEM Japan knows, and they don't share that data with us"! I even had one "know-it-all" tech that told me "all of the 10X42L IS's still being sold today were produced in 2005", and That is when it was made!??? I wanted to tell him what he was Full Of, but decided to be polite and just moved on. The link Kimmo has referenced in post #4 appears to be related only to the Canon SLR lens data base, not to their binocular line up. Maybe he can verify it's complete application!

Anyway, fantastic to hear you are on 12 years of in-the-field use and going strong!!!

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The link Kimmo has referenced in post #4 appears to be related only to the Canon SLR lens data base, not to their binocular line up. Maybe he can verify it's complete application!
............

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The dating scheme shown in the chart does correspond with what I know about the history of my unit. I am inclined to believe that the chart does indeed applies to the Canon binoculars in addition to the Canon lenses. (See my post number 5.)

How does the chart data correspond to your more recent purchase?
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The dating scheme shown in the chart does correspond with what I know about the history of my unit. I am inclined to believe that the chart does indeed applies to the Canon binoculars in addition to the Canon lenses. (See my post number 5.)

How does the chart data correspond to your more recent purchase?
Bruce,

My 10X42L (4490) was purchased new, by me in Nov 2016. According to the chart and these 1st 4 numbers, the possible mnf. date would be Aug 2016...Very Plausible. Using this logic, even though this SLR data chart shows only one 04 (April 2013), ETV's 0410 could be interpolated to be 8 years sooner, or April 2005, just 4 months after Cannon claims the first mnf date for the 10X42L IS in January, 2005. Certainly seems in line with his memory of purchase and here again, may validate this data date code chart!!

Thanks for bringing these details back up, Bruce. I'm curious if this applies to all of their IS binocular line up? I actually brought this data existence up to Canon USA tech reps before with my new instrument questions. Again there was denial of it's validity...maybe felt consumers shouldn't be in possession of this, or Embarrassed it wasn't shared knowledge through their employer!??

So ETV, this Date Data Chart appears to give you the info you seek...thanks to Kimmo for providing it and to Bruce, I stand corrected!

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Ted ..... Thanks for checking the serial number on your unit. It looks like the chart is still working.


Following up on Ted's comment and working back from the first column of the chart listing 2008, earlier dates would be:

2007 - Jan 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 Dec
2006 - Jan 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Dec
2005 - Jan 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 Dec
2004 - Jan ................................................ 01 Dec

Here is an updated summary of reported 10X42 numbers. Let's see what can be learned from the patterns over time.

04 1 0xxxx - Mar 2005 - Enjoy the View (Original purchase after 2004)
21 08200147 - Aug 2006 - Etudiant (Original purchase late 20007)
72 x xxxxx - Nov 2010 - Kimmo
82 6 00xxx - Sep 2011 - Stan
87 7 002xx - Feb 2012 - Dennis
17 7 00xxx - May 2014 - Binastro
21 7 000xx - Sep 2014 - BruceH (Original purdhase around Jan, 2015)
44 9 0xxxx - Aug 2016 - Theo98 (Original purchase Nov, 2016)

What is strange is the unit owned by Etudaint with a 10 digit serial number breaks the pattern of 8 digits, including the unit of ETV, which appears to be older.

Other Models:

Ted, check post number 9 by Binasto, where he posts serial numbers from a couple of other models.

I have a 15X50 purchased probably in the late 90s (?) and the serial number is 55001xxC.
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10x30 IS Mk II 37100xxx January 2016 probably.

10x30 IS Mk I 2200xxxC August 1998 ?? possibly...1998 instruction book. unfilled warranty card.
Check! However, the 10X30 MK I could have been Oct 2006?? Depends when he purchased it used.

My new "Aug 2016" (according to the 4490 SN date code) included a -2005- instruction book (owners manual). Since that still references the only release of the 10X42L IS (Mk I), Cannon USA stated the OM hasn't changed!?

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I have a 15X50 purchased probably in the late 90s (?) and the serial number is 55001xxC.
Bruce, going back "16" years from the earliest date code on the chart (June 2009), your 15X50 could be a 1993 mnf date. Was your purchase a new or used 15X50 IS?

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Bruce, going back "16" years from the earliest date code on the chart (June 2009), your 15X50 could be a 1993 mnf date. Was your purchase a new or used 15X50 IS?

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Ted,

1) You mention the earliest date code on the chart is June, 2009. The chart I am looking at looks to have the earliest date code (38) as January, 2008. What are we doing different?

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/C...ens-Aging.aspx

2) The 15X50 was purchased new by my Father as best I can remember sometime in the 1990s. I have not found any paperwork on it. He was a true 7X person so it surprised me when he bought it. I used to catch grief all the time for using an 8X!

Does anyone know when Canon introduced the 15X50? Is there more than one generation?
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My used 10x30 Mk1 could be 2006. I probably bought it around 2010 plus? I don't know the 10x30 introduction date.
It is in poor condition as it has moisture inside, although it works.

I thought the 15x50 might have been introduced around 2000, and 15x45 earlier, but I really don't know. It could be 1998?
I don't think more than one 15x50 general type, but maybe many variations in the IS and computer controls.

3 samples of the 8x25 IS followed the code provided. First type IS and second type. Unless there were more iterations.
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1) You mention the earliest date code on the chart is June, 2009. The chart I am looking at looks to have the earliest date code (38) as January, 2008. What are we doing different?

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/C...ens-Aging.aspx

2) The 15X50 was purchased new by my Father as best I can remember sometime in the 1990s. I have not found any paperwork on it. He was a true 7X person so it surprised me when he bought it. I used to catch grief all the time for using an 8X!

Does anyone know when Canon introduced the 15X50? Is there more than one generation?
Bruce,

Yes, we are looking at the same chart! That earliest date code showing (June 09') on the chart was for your 15X50 IS SN 55001xxC. As per your father's purchase in the 90's, then a mnf date of June 1993 (16 years before) "could possibly" be about right.

However, Canon stated this morning that the 1st marketed offering for the 15X50's was in March, 2000!? Not sure when the 15X45 IS version was discontinued, but if there was an original "15X50 Mk I" production that replaced it, then they may have done some revisions since without announcing a formal Mk II update (about March 2000)??

Could your 15X50 IS possibly be a June 2001 production date??!

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Ted .... Thanks for the explanation of the June date. I got it now.

I was thinking he got the 15X50 around the end of the 90's, so it could have been in 2001.
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I think 2000 more likely for the first 15x50, then shortly followed by 18x50 (or at the same time).
Just updates over the years to increase battery life etc. Not sure about better IS.

I bought my first Canon IS, the 12x36 Mk 1, perhaps 1999??
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Ted .... Thanks for the explanation of the June date. I got it now.

I was thinking he got the 15X50 around the end of the 90's, so it could have been in 2001.
You're welcome, Bruce!

I just downloaded an instruction Manual from Canon Europe! The last page states a copyrighted publication date of, "CANON 2002"! If the 15X50 IS did come out on the market in March 2000 (Canon USA own words), this instruction booklet appears to be the latest printed release!?

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Extended the Canon date chart data to include 1999-2007 and 2018-2020 information. Have attached a small .jpg for IS binocular owner reviews and possible references of mnf dates.

As been stated before, this data is Not verified by Canon and its' accuracy is just an assumption of owner presented information. This is a hypothesis of "possible date of manufacture" codes, thus use at your own risk and convenience!

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Hi Ted,
Thanks.
That would make my 18x50 Sept 2002.
So a bit younger than I thought but credible.
No. 731002xx.

It has scratches on the rubber from being used perhaps thousands of times, but it has been almost faultless.
Usually a weak battery was the cause of sluggishness etc.
The optics are still excellent although I should clean the eyepieces more often.
I did not change the focus or IPD for maybe ten years.
It is used for astronomy or aircraft, where the resolution hand held is almost unmatched.

It also makes the year 2000 credible for the introduction of the 15x50.
Maybe the 18x50 was introduced 2000 or 2001?

I don't know where my paperwork is.

The 12x36 Mk.1 predates the 15x50 and 18x50 I think.
Maybe the 15x45 first, 12x36 Mk 1 Second.
But when was the 10x30 Mk 1 introduced?
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Interesting stuff. as I'm thinking about buying a second pair of the 10x42 to see if there are any differences with my current one, and to have a backup. I have not found any receipt yet, and of course did not record the purchase date on the warranty card or send it in. Which shows a 3yr warranty plus an extra 2 years if registered. the date on the manual is 2005, but I suspect that says little. Interesting the warranty card has the same 8-digit serial number labeled 'body s.no.', but the box has an extra two leading digits in in parenthesis i.e. (21) x x x x x x x x

The (21) might be a county code.
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Thanks.
That would make my 18x50 Sept 2002.
So a bit younger than I thought but credible.
No. 731002xx...

It also makes the year 2000 credible for the introduction of the 15x50.
Maybe the 18x50 was introduced 2000 or 2001?

The 12x36 Mk.1 predates the 15x50 and 18x50 I think.
Maybe the 15x45 first, 12x36 Mk 1 Second.
But when was the 10x30 Mk 1 introduced?
Your Welcome BA!

I read (somewhere else) the 18X50 IS shortly followed the 15X50 IS introduction to the market place...

Not sure when or which was the "1st" Cannon binocular IS optic to appear on the scene, but if you take this date chart back to an earlier "01" serial #, that should be in and around July 1997. However, if this date code nomenclature was to reference any and all of their optics, it surely goes back in time a lot further than 97'!

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Interesting and useful info. However, this style of serial number used by Canon is puzzling due to its ambiguity: the numbers repeat every 8 years. Let's say the SN is 38x..x, was the item produced in Feb 2016 or Jan 2008? Of course if I bought it in Dec 2016 I would guess Feb 2016, but I cannot be sure. It's a bit strange that Canon has decided to use only 2 digits of such a long SN for the production month; had they used 3 digits, well...
Fortunately for the 12x36 extra info eliminates the ambiguity: the SN of my 12x36 IS-III (bought in Jan 2017) is 33x..x, which means that the production month *must* be Sept 2015 (as Mk iii was launched in May 2015). This seems to suggest that even the 12x36s III do not sell quickly....

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Interesting and useful info. However, this style of serial number used by Canon is puzzling due to its ambiguity: the numbers repeat every 8 years. Let's say the SN is 38x..x, was the item produced in Feb 2016 or Jan 2008? Of course if I bought it in Dec 2016 I would guess Feb 2016, but I cannot be sure. It's a bit strange that Canon has decided to use only 2 digits of such a long SN for the production month; had they used 3 digits, well...
Fortunately for the 12x36 extra info eliminates the ambiguity: the SN of my 12x36 IS-III (bought in Jan 2017) is 33x..x, which means that the production month *must* be Sept 2015 (as Mk iii was launched in May 2015). This seems to suggest that even the 12x36s III do not sell quickly....

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Peter,

I agree it would be very puzzling if Canon used what is presented in the chart as it's Only measure of production, inventory, sales, product tracking, etc. As you pointed out, knowing the year a particular product came to market and the time frame of an original purchase is helpful to associate when your model "could have been" manufactured. However, IMO the chart data collection and presentation is primarily composed of what I call "SWAG methodology"...use it accordingly!

Canon USA repeatedly refuses to acknowledge any type or form of product manufactured date codes (usually associated with SN), only the beginning month\year they started servicing a certain binocular IS product. If the Asian OEM group knows (would make sense), they aren't telling even their global associates their coded date secrets??!

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Ted:

Making a secret of your product manufacturing date is strange but Canon is not unique: as far as I know only Swaro is fully open about the production date (but even in their case, why add 30 years to the SN, why not give directly the production year, perhaps some "historical reasons"?); other companies, such as Zeiss, inform you of the manufacture date if you contact them and give them the SN but many others are clueless.

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With Japanese lenses the yellow stickers have a code that allows one to date the lens, but it repeats every ten years, so one has to guess the decade.
Someone who knows the lenses can get it right but others can get it wrong.

I thought that the silver stickers on Japanese binocular might be similar but they aren't and don't know how the code works.

Kodak, Hasselblad and many other makes have date codes. They are widely used, but few know the codes.

I argued with customs on bringing my Minolta back into the U.K. when I had bought it in the U.K.
He insisted it was bought abroad. I insisted it wasn't. In the end I filled in a statement saying where I bought it as I flatly refused to accept his opinion. I just stood my ground.

When I went to the U.S. the official asked if I'd been before. I said Yes. It took over an hour. Eventually I said I'd been there last in 1948 and 1959. And he laughed and said the records didn't go back that far.

I must be daft. I gave away a Minolta 250mm mirror lens because the two camera bodies with it had dust mites walking around the Fresnel screens. One is today going for 750 plus. I put them all in the freezer for two weeks.
But I still didn't want to keep them.
That is not the only stupid thing I've done.
It's only money.
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Just to complicate matters a little more, I recently noticed that Canon service put a new serial number sticker on my 10x42, number 97000038, replacing the old 08200147, which had fallen off some time before the glass went in for service. That new number translates to Dec 2012 production in the scheme we think Canon is using.
The body of the glass is still the same, but perhaps the serial number refers to the internals.
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When Minolta and maybe others repaired cameras they got a new serial number.
Also when top plates were changed they had new numbers, which Minolta may have recognised as not original.

So if one is buying a secondhand Canon IS binocular, which I don't recommend, it may have a non original number.
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So if one is buying a secondhand Canon IS binocular, which I don't recommend, ...
I agree Binastro. Actually, a "used" Cannon 10X42L has No warranty in the US. As per Cannon stated policy, their warranty is to the original owner and Non-Transferable!!

With the continuation (past 6 months) of their deep discounts in the US on new binos (46-48% off MSRP) and used binos going for just 25-30% less than new on the bay, I immediately dismissed any used purchase to buy NEW. With their IS electronics, I wanted to insure I was starting ownership with a fresh new product!

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Reminds me of...

'Would you buy a used car from this man'.

(Picture of Richard Nixon).

(I wasn't much better. In the early 1960s I was in the car trade. Few cars had genuine miles on the odometer).
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