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Ijima's warbler? Shanghai, China (1 Viewer)
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xuky.summer
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Hi mark
I'm glad to see you again!
Just a question, the photos of Ijima 's Leaf Warbler on OBI all have a large and pale bill, but this one doesn't seem to be.
I'm glad to see you again!
Just a question, the photos of Ijima 's Leaf Warbler on OBI all have a large and pale bill, but this one doesn't seem to be.
Not sure what you have there but I don't think it can be Ijima's. Ijima's has quite a large-looking bill with unmarked lower mandible.
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Grahame Walbridge
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Definitely not a Ilima's for reasons already cited. Apparently long utc's are due to angle of view and the pale outers are artefact.
Looking at the second image the supercilium is actually quite strong behind the eye so I am thinking yakutensis Willow Warbler.
Grahame
thirudevaram
Trapped in mist ***s
Thanks everyone for weighing in. So, the mutual consensus is not Ijima's. Anyone leaning towards Siberian Chiffchaff?
One more vote for yakutensis here. Wings appear to be very long and held crossed, tail long and cleft. Only seen one in East Asia, which was yellower below than this bird, but strikingly greyish above with similar narrow silvery-white fringes to greater coverts.
Interestingly, yakutensis regularly flicks/pumps its tail downwards, quite unexpected (for me at least) in Willow Warbler, and could that be why Chiffchaff has been suggested?
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rockfowl
Mark Andrews
That figures :t:
Bryon Wright
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Warbler id
Hi all,
Suppose only a small minority of dusky warblers could look like this either in the field or when photographed. Great post to see a really grey and white willow warbler. These grey brown birds do occurr in parts of Scotland and elsewhere and I wonder what the current think is on this. Also enclose another grey and white warbler photo from one of the opuses, apologies for not linking. It is listed as dusky warbler but wonder if anybody agrees it is a really worn pale-legged warbler?
Hi all,
Suppose only a small minority of dusky warblers could look like this either in the field or when photographed. Great post to see a really grey and white willow warbler. These grey brown birds do occurr in parts of Scotland and elsewhere and I wonder what the current think is on this. Also enclose another grey and white warbler photo from one of the opuses, apologies for not linking. It is listed as dusky warbler but wonder if anybody agrees it is a really worn pale-legged warbler?
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thirudevaram
Trapped in mist ***s
thirudevaram
Trapped in mist ***s
Hi Steve,
On a mail communication with Paul Holt, he sent various pointers about why its a Siberian Chiffchaff.
" The bill looks thin & weedy, Plumage wise it looks too cold. Plumage tones, especially, the very grey shawl & ear coverts are more in keeping with tristis.
I have sent few more pics for further opinion. I would have definitely agreed for a Siberian Chiffchaff but the leg color is bothering me to put a tick on it.
Grahame Walbridge
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I take Paul's point re bill structure as it does look rather fine for a WW. That said the bird lacks any apparent buff or rusty-buff tones to the super, ear-coverts and underparts...the underparts appear a mixture of grey and olive/yellow-streaked on my screen but this may well be artefact. Perhaps this explains the leg colour?
http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?Bird_Image_ID=85776&Bird_ID=1821&Bird_Family_ID=&Location=
http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?Bird_Image_ID=90224&Bird_ID=1821&Bird_Family_ID=&Location=
BTW, tristis do not have grey upper parts.
Any more images? In particular, any that show the wings?
Grahame
http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?Bird_Image_ID=85776&Bird_ID=1821&Bird_Family_ID=&Location=
http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?Bird_Image_ID=90224&Bird_ID=1821&Bird_Family_ID=&Location=
BTW, tristis do not have grey upper parts.
Any more images? In particular, any that show the wings?
Grahame
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thirudevaram
Trapped in mist ***s
Thanks Grahame. I have attached all the shots i have got. Unfortunately, none have got a clear view of the upper parts.
I also had a doubt whether the yellow streaks could be a leaf, twig which is out of focus and give that affect but if you look at warbler_6 photo, it's not there. But when i was observing the bird, i noticed a faint wash of yellow in the vent.
I also had a doubt whether the yellow streaks could be a leaf, twig which is out of focus and give that affect but if you look at warbler_6 photo, it's not there. But when i was observing the bird, i noticed a faint wash of yellow in the vent.
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Interestingly, just found a tristis in Taiwan this weekend! Black bare parts, short wings, not much of a suggestion of yellow below. The wings of your bird look quite long to me.
(Sorry: response should be in reply to Dev's comment!)
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I've added a poorer photo of this weekend's Taiwan Chiffchaff to compare, which may or may not be of use. It's being blown around by the wind here, making the tail look long, but still the wings look anything but long!
The wings of your bird #6 look long, its legs and feet are orange, and there's plenty of yellow across the breast and patchily elsewhere below, so it's still Willow for me.
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thirudevaram
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for the pics of tristis. Eventhough, i haven't seen a Siberian Chiffchaff before, i'm pretty confident about Identifying it unless its an individual with an extreme plumage variation. This bird however, did not give me the impression of Siberian Chifchaff and i was barely given thoughts on Willow Warbler as there are very few records in China especially in the east.
Thanks again Gentlemen for the brainstorming session and finalizing the ID.
Thanks for the pics of tristis. Eventhough, i haven't seen a Siberian Chiffchaff before, i'm pretty confident about Identifying it unless its an individual with an extreme plumage variation. This bird however, did not give me the impression of Siberian Chifchaff and i was barely given thoughts on Willow Warbler as there are very few records in China especially in the east.
Thanks again Gentlemen for the brainstorming session and finalizing the ID.
MKinHK
Mike Kilburn
For reference here's a link to a Willow Warbler that turned up in Hong Kong a few years ago.
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/BBS/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=6356
Cheers
Mike
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/BBS/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=6356
Cheers
Mike
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Grahame Walbridge
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Mike,
I suspect that bird your bird originates from much further west i.e it is 1st-w triochilus/acredula based on the plumage tones.
Here is a presumed yakutensis for comparison from Hong Is., South Korea in Sep 2007.....they look quite different in appearance.
You will have to scroll down a bit....
http://www.birdskorea.org/Birds/Birdnews/BK-BN-birdnews-2007-10.shtml
Grahame
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