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Old Monday 9th January 2017, 20:00   #26
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They look like a great line of binoculars and priced at 1/2 of an alpha like a Maven or Tract. I told you alpha's are dead. Some of the bigger apertures like 56mm use AK prisms. They have a 8x56 ED which would be pretty cool. Has Chill 4x4 bought one yet? He usually buy's the latest.
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Old Monday 9th January 2017, 20:03   #27
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Will rednecks buy something called 'passion'....sounds a bit girly and emotional !
Did you ever see Deliverance with Burt Reynolds? Rednecks are passionate.
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Old Monday 9th January 2017, 20:11   #28
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The Nikon has interesting specs but the initial reviews have been mixed. It may be a good strategy to be open to considering both. It seems to me to be premature to dismiss a binocular before anyone has even seen it.



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The reviews for 10x42 seem very good so far for the Nikon HG, but I take all user reviews with a grain of salt anyway. I will try it for myself.

I have dismissed lots of binoculars based on Specs alone. For instance, the full size Mavens are just too big and heavy for me and so is the new Noctivid. I'm sure they are great binoculars, but the image is not the only aspect of a binocular I take into consideration when making a purchase.

My Ultravid 7x42 is 27.2 ounces and I'd not like to go any heavier than this. This Passion HD is almost 30 ounces. I also find the wider FOV of the HG 10x42 attractive. So yeah, I'm going to dismiss this new binocular. I don't quite have the desire or energy to constantly order bins and try them out like others do here, so I do look at the specs and decide if it meets my personal preferences.

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While I'm not a supporter of the NRA, they also donate to Safari Club International, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, and American Birding Association. These are actually fairly good conservation groups.
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Below is a better pic of the HD range and it looks pretty handsome. Folks that don't warm to open-bridge designs will be cheering.
Agree, looks nice. Similar shape as the mentionned Intrepid, or the Nikon HG.

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Wow, there sure is a lot of immediate negativity in this thread. My view is it a good thing to have more options from a company backed by two individuals with extensive high level experience in the optics industry.
A lot of marketing BS, this causes the immediate negative reaction, from my side at least.

Leica recently, Zeiss before etc, they all got bashed a lot for the marking BS when launching new binoculars. At least in this regard, some of these Kamakura-sellers seem indeed to catch up with the alpha brands.

More options is good, I agree. But at first glance, this just looks like more of the same to me.
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Did you ever see Deliverance with Burt Reynolds? Rednecks are passionate.
I believe it's called 'southern hospitality' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFKdAhi_yc0
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Old Monday 9th January 2017, 20:42   #32
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I believe it's called 'southern hospitality' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFKdAhi_yc0
Ha,Ha! I was going to put the link to that scene but I thought it might be to racy for some.
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Ha,Ha! I was going to put the link to that scene but I thought it might be to racy for some.
It took a British filmaker to do it. John Boorman bought the rights of the book, co-wrote the screen play, and directed it. He had the good sense to cast the books author James Dickey as the Sheriff.
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Old Monday 9th January 2017, 21:00   #34
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And a portion from every purchase goes to the NRA. Wow.
Fantastic!
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Old Monday 9th January 2017, 21:07   #35
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I am not sure why a 91% total transmission does not seem likely. There are other binoculars out there that have a similar spec or more. Also the 99.7% figure is shown as "99.7% ags". That looks quite explicit and not misleading.

Example-Classic design SP prism of 93%
http://www.allbinos.com/303-binocula...10x42_W_B.html
Well, why is the line "99.7% transmission ags" misleading - maybe because:

- it uses an obscure abbreviation which might be known to a specialist but not to the general public - and not somewhere deep in the stats but in the marketing blurb...

- the transmission per surface value is not really right since there should be two non-multicoated surfaces in the Schmidt-Pechan prism. Or if there aren't, you loose contrast.

- the mirror will eat the transmission of many multicoated surfaces.

And yes, the SLC was tested at 93 percent... but everybody else is at 90% or so...

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Fantastic!
And the reason most Birdforum readers wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot pole, regardless of their other 'contributions.'
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Why should I give a ratsazzz what non USA BF members think about the NRA?
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While I'm not a supporter of the NRA, they also donate to Safari Club International, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, and American Birding Association. These are actually fairly good conservation groups.
In fairness, whatever people may think of the NRA (whether in the USA or elsewhere), the company allows purchasers to specify which organisation any donation from the profit on their instrument goes to which seems fair enough to me.
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Old Monday 9th January 2017, 21:38   #39
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Not for me.

The Passion HD is attractive looking (aesthetically), but the specs of the new Nikon HG beats it solidly (fov, weight, size, flat field). I'll still keep my eye on the new Nikon for 10x42.
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Once I get my hands on these I will have to start a new thread. Let's see what should I title it? Hmmm. I got it!

BIRTH OF AN ALPHA
An Alpha 8x42 with a FOV of only 125m / 1000m ????
Doesn't seem very alpha to me .
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Are these line of binoculars made in China?
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Old Monday 9th January 2017, 22:07   #42
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One of the quotes on the ED page caught my eye:

"Incredible: PASSION™ ED binoculars are made with durable magnesium bodies, unlike the plastic bodies of other European premium brands."

That's poor English. It should read 'some other', although apart from the Zeiss FL 7x32 what other European premium binocular uses polycarbonate ?
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Are these line of binoculars made in China?
They are most likely japanese.
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Slow down people. It seems Dennis ranting has everyone so mad that there is immediate negative vibes for a new binocular nobody has even seen yet. Dennis is succeeding in getting under everybody's skin. It is screwing up a thread he has not even had much chance to screw up...yet.

Looks kind of like a Leica focus knob. Sort of Trinovid like specs.

Anybody ever notice all these new outfits seem to have been undertaken by people with previous work experience in the optics world?
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Slow down people. It seems Dennis ranting has everyone so mad that there is immediate negative vibes for a new binocular nobody has even seen yet. Dennis is succeeding in getting under everybody's skin. It is screwing up a thread he has not even had much chance to screw up...yet.

Looks kind of like a Leica focus knob. Sort of Trinovid like specs.

Anybody ever notice all these new outfits seem to have been undertaken by people with previous work experience in the optics world?
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I have looked at the site, and they do stress the made in Germany
part. They may be having one of the German mfrs. help with the
manufacturing. Maybe Leica is doing some work for GPO.

Back when Mike Jenson was with Zeiss, I had some communications
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An Alpha 8x42 with a FOV of only 125m / 1000m ????
Doesn't seem very alpha to me .
There are so many new companies popping up left and right, but when I look at the tech specs none of them seem to separate themselves from one another. That's why Nikon Monarch HG to me is one of the most exciting mid-priced binos to come out. They are very lightweight, compact and have a massive FOV with field flattener. It seems Nikon is going in the right direction here with their new offering IMHO.

People who are looking for a good utility binocular have a lot to choose from which is nice. But, as a bino enthusiast I'm not excited about a lot of these new companies. At least Maven is offering something a little different with the A/K prisms and different magnifications which are hard to find.
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Competition is a good thing, especially for the consumer. These new entities must feel there is market share to be gained or they wouldn't be attempting such a thing. It will be interesting how it all plays out.

I have never decided the merits of a binocular based purely on specs, literature, etc. It's a poor way to choose IMO. I was in love with the Swaro SV 8x32 based on specs and opinions from lots of people and places. I've never been so disappointed in my life when I actually bought one and used it. I've also been very pleasantly surprised a few times, as with the Mojave 8x32, Toric, Meostar HD, Gold Ring HD, and an 8x30 Maven. As I posted before, and it's worth repeating.....opinions are a poor substitute for actual experience. As Steve said, everyone should take a breath and relax, have some patience to see how it plays out. This isn't life threatening stuff here, it's only optics.
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There are so many new companies popping up left and right, but when I look at the tech specs none of them seem to separate themselves from one another. That's why Nikon Monarch HG to me is one of the most exciting mid-priced binos to come out. They are very lightweight, compact and have a massive FOV with field flattener. It seems Nikon is going in the right direction here with their new offering IMHO.

People who are looking for a good utility binocular have a lot to choose from which is nice. But, as a bino enthusiast I'm not excited about a lot of these new companies. At least Maven is offering something a little different with the A/K prisms and different magnifications which are hard to find.
This new company seems to be offering some different magnifications and they have some AK prism models as well. It is kind of weird that the FOV's on these are kind of small and no field flatteners but I would suspect they are trying to keep costs down and RB out of the picture. I have heard that the new Nikon Monarch HG does have some RB and some people just can't tolerate it so I would suspect these companies are using a less complicated, less expensive eyepieces to avoid that can of worms and put the money into the glass and offer a binocular like the Trac Toric or Maven which emulates the Swarovski SLC HD in a lot of ways in design philosophy. I think a lot of these binoculars are aimed at hunters and many hunters don't need a huge FOV either. This is just pure speculation on my part. I understand your point though.
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They are most likely japanese.
That would be a good thing.
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