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Old Wednesday 11th January 2017, 20:10   #101
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I would be surprised if not given the failure to identify where actually manufactured coupled with statements like "Our products are built to our high-quality standards in some of the largest global production facilities in the world. All of our design, engineering, and quality management is done internally in Germany."
If I had to guess I would say that the ED's might be made in China and the HDs in Japan, looking at the prices, although even the EDs have magnesium bodies and aluminium eyecup tubes so maybe both ranges are made in Japan.

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Another rebrander.....maybe a bunch of us should get together, buy a batch of Kamakura's, slap a ''BF'' logo on it and watch the cash roll in. And call ourselves an Optics Company.....lol.
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I would be surprised if not given the failure to identify where actually manufactured coupled with statements like "Our products are built to our high-quality standards in some of the largest global production facilities in the world. All of our design, engineering, and quality management is done internally in Germany."
I'm loosing faith in German manufacturing in general with this sort of thing going on https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/b...av=bottom-well and a very lose definition of what 'made in Germany' actually means.

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Another rebrander.....maybe a bunch of us should get together, buy a batch of Kamakura's, slap a ''BF'' logo on it and watch the cash roll in. And call ourselves an Optics Company.....lol.


Vortex has made a Go-Zillion dollars doing it. Give it a try.
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Another rebrander.....maybe a bunch of us should get together, buy a batch of Kamakura's, slap a ''BF'' logo on it and watch the cash roll in. And call ourselves an Optics Company.....lol.
Hello,

I think that is a great idea. I am looking for an 8x30/32 Porro with all the bells including decent eye relief and adjustable eye cups. I read that Opticron has a near perfect model, the Opticron 8x32 SR.GA, except for the eye relief but with 8.3º FOV, and fold down eye cups.. If the FOV were reduced the eye relief should increase. I would still like 8º, like the Zeiss FL 8x32. If the Zeiss, a roof prism can manage 8º and 16mm eye relief, I would imagine that a Porro can be built to the same specifications.

I have old 8x30 Porro binoculars that almost work: the eye relief is poor but the dioptre adjustment brings infinity to focus, now that my eyes have changed. Of course, modern coatings would do a lot for those designs.

Obviously, I cannot afford a custom binocular but do you think that I could find partners to enter the business. We would have to find a Germanic name with at least one umlaut, perhaps the Übersalzburg Alpine.

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Old Thursday 12th January 2017, 08:16   #106
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If we got, say, 100 members together, we could probably place our own order with Kamakura, and get whatever we want. A sort of "buyers' club". But we would have to agree on the configuration, specs, etc., and getting 100 forum members to agree on anything would be one tough task!
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maybe a bunch of us should get together, buy a batch of Kamakura's, slap a ''BF'' logo on it and watch the cash roll in. And call ourselves an Optics Company.....lol.


As the Made in Germany is not any more what it used to be, I could take care of locating engineering and quality control in Switzerland. Actually I don't live far from Heerbrugg, if that doesn't quality me...
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If we got, say, 100 members together, we could probably place our own order with Kamakura, and get whatever we want.
According to information from our good friend Pete Gamby on this very forum: "An order for just 500 would get you a new rubber armour. 5000 gets you a new optical system and an all expenses paid invitation to the factory!"

We would need 5,000 members to 'get whatever we want'.
Could we do it? No, we wouldn't be able to agree the specs and would argue about the size of the sweet spot or eye relief for weeks

Might be fun trying though, perhaps we could piggy back on Opticron's relationship and get them to do a Bird Forum Model, with a subscriber's tally of 2,500 and Opticron taking a risk on being able to sell the remaining 2,500.

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It seems to me that Leica and Swarovski never focused on mid-priced binoculars, at least from the 1990s. Zeiss has had their 2nd line Conquests for quite a while and has moved down into a third line; and Nikon has had a full price range of binoculars during that time with numerous changes occurring in it except in its top of the range.

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Nikon has too many models that is confusing. I wonder what is their best seller.
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Vortex has made a Go-Zillion dollars doing it. Give it a try.
That is why Vortex is so arrogant and never replies to any inquires.

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One think is that binoculars by nature are portable like a cell phone, anything portable is subject to drops, spills, bounced around etc. Thats why I don't buy from this type companies because their warranty is a great unknown, ill stick with Nikon, Zeiss, Swaro and Leupold.
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"Could we do it? No, we wouldn't be able to agree the specs and would argue about the size of the sweet spot or eye relief for weeks "

No, we wouldn't - I would exercise my veto!
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Nikon has too many models that is confusing. I wonder what is their best seller.
One used to be able to make an educated (or hafassed, if you will) guess about that when Eagle Optics was still selling Nikons from the numbers of reviews each binocular received. I recall that the Nikon Binocular with the most reviews at the time Nikon dropped Eagle Optics as a vendor was the Monarch 8x36. It had forty five 5 star reviews. As I recall, it sold for around $400.00.

My guess why Nikon dropped Eagle Optics as a vendor, and it is only a guess, is that Nikon did so because Eagle Optics was selling low priced binoculars under its own name which competed with Nikon's low priced binoculars; and low priced binoculars comprise a big part of the binoculars that Nikon sells.

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The number of Amazon reviews is a rough guide
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...k%3Anikon+8x42
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One think is that binoculars by nature are portable like a cell phone, anything portable is subject to drops, spills, bounced around etc. Thats why I don't buy from this type companies because their warranty is a great unknown, ill stick with Nikon, Zeiss, Swaro and Leupold.
Warranties are written in stone for all the world to see, it's the customer service part of the equation that can be suspect (I'm sure that's what you meant anyway). Leupold wrote the book on customer service. Swaro figured it out by watching Leupold, then Vortex did the same. Like I said in the other forum, time will tell how well these new guys are received.
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That is why Vortex is so arrogant and never replies to any inquires.
My experience with them has been the exact opposite. They are great to deal with. Are you sure they are actually getting your inquires? Try calling them directly.
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"They are exceptionally lightweight and compact, making them feel nearly invisible around the user’s neck."

Worlds first invisible bins?


But 940g is quite good for a 50mm, and 8.5x is a nice option.

Kamakura siblings?

Is there any mention of where they are made?
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"They are exceptionally lightweight and compact, making them feel nearly invisible around the user’s neck."

Worlds first invisible bins?


But 940g is quite good for a 50mm, and 8.5x is a nice option.

Kamakura siblings?

Is there any mention of where they are made?
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Never put invisible bins down on a rock before you go around the back for a 'comfort break'. You will never find them when you come back.

The 50mm units look interesting don't they? An 8.5 and a 12.5 plus a classic 50.

No indication of where they are made though.

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My experience with them has been the exact opposite. They are great to deal with. Are you sure they are actually getting your inquires? Try calling them directly.

I stopped chasing Vortex long time ago but to this day I don't forget that I never heard back from them and yes I checked the spam folder. Anyway it does not matter at this point, their line up has zero binoculars that interest me.
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I think that is a great idea. I am looking for an 8x30/32 Porro with all the bells including decent eye relief and adjustable eye cups. I read that Opticron has a near perfect model, the Opticron 8x32 SR.GA, except for the eye relief but with 8.3º FOV, and fold down eye cups.. If the FOV were reduced the eye relief should increase. I would still like 8º, like the Zeiss FL 8x32. If the Zeiss, a roof prism can manage 8º and 16mm eye relief, I would imagine that a Porro can be built to the same specifications.
Hm, good eye relief, wide field of view, compact eyepiece - choose any two...

That being said - the Bushnell 8x42 NatureView Porro cheapie bins seem to fit the bill as they claim 8.2 deg true field, 16mm ER and twist up eyecups at 100 dollars or so.
There remains the question if they are good enough for your taste... if you try them, let us know.

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...the Bushnell 8x42 NatureView Porro cheapie bins seem to fit the bill as they claim 8.2 deg true field, 16mm ER and twist up eyecups at 100 dollars or so.
There remains the question if they are good enough for your taste... if you try them, let us know...
Yes, those are good, at least in the previous incarnations that I've tried. Here's the current model
http://www.optics4birding.com/bushne...inoculars.html
Also consider the even cheaper Bushnell 8x42 Legacy porro with its similar specs. Not a bad bin.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...Binocular.html

But I've never been as impressed with either of these as with the Nikon 8x32 EII, which optically is different but in the same league as the 8x32 SE. I think of the Bushnell porros as alternatives to something like the Leupold Yosemite or its equivalents.

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Hm, good eye relief, wide field of view, compact eyepiece - choose any two...

That being said - the Bushnell 8x42 NatureView Porro cheapie bins seem to fit the bill as they claim 8.2 deg true field, 16mm ER and twist up eyecups at 100 dollars or so.
There remains the question if they are good enough for your taste... if you try them, let us know.

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Hello Joachim,

I appreciate your posting, however if Zeiss can put decent eye relief, reasonably sized eyepieces and decent FOV their FL roof, surely it can be done in a Porro, perhaps at the expense of overall size.

I am not interested in an 8x42, just an 8x32. As another poster wrote, the Zeiss 8x32 FL greatest virtue may be maintaining decent eye relief in that package.

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Marketing Representatives Announced

GPO USA issued two press releases today announcing marketing representatives for their product line.

January 13, 2017 - GPO, USA HIRES MURSKI BREEDING SALES AGENCY FOR 37 STATES

GPO, USA HIRES MURSKI BREEDING SALES AGENCY FOR 37 STATES

Midlothian, Virginia, January 13, 2017 — GPO, USA, the industry’s newest premium optics company has hired Murski Breeding Sales to represent GPO, USA in 37 southern, central, northern, and eastern states. The sales agency will be responsible for all channels of trade and all products within the GPO portfolio for these regions.

“The Murski Breeding Sales agency is a highly organized and incredibly well-respected sales group in this industry,” says Michael Jensen, owner and CEO of GPO, USA. “They bring experience and credibility to whomever they represent and will serve this brand well to their hundreds of dealers and VIPs that they have long-term relationships with.”
Murski Breeding Sales will be responsible for servicing all channels of trade, including retail, wholesale, e-commerce retailers, chain stores, and mass merchants. States represented are Alabama, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wisconsin. Retailers within these regions seeking information about premium GPO products can contact GPO, USA directly or Murski Breeding Sales at 214-637-0979.

“It’s an honor to be welcomed into this brand and to represent GPO, USA at the beginning of its journey.” says Matt Breeding, president and CEO of Murski Breeding Sales. “We expect that with these products and its company leadership, GPO will be a brand that will be recognized by consumers and dealers in a very short period of time, for a very long time.”
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January 13, 2017 - GPO, USA HIRES TOTAL SALES & MARKETING FOR 13 WESTERN STATES

GPO, USA HIRES TOTAL SALES & MARKETING FOR 13 WESTERN STATES

Midlothian, Virginia, January 13, 2017—GPO, USA, the industry’s newest premium optics company, has hired Total Sales & Marketing to represent GPO, USA in 13 western states. Total Sales & Marketing will be responsible for all channels of trade and products within the GPO portfolio.

“The TSM sales team brings over 100 years of combined premium optics sales agency experience to our products. They know the dealers, they understand the consumers, and they are simply excellent businessmen,” said Michael Jensen, owner and CEO of GPO, USA. “This is a highly competitive market, and GPO needs highly competitive and competent sales agencies who understand how to service dealers and represent a quality brand.”

Total Sales & Marketing will service all channels of trade in Western USA to include retail, wholesale, ecommerce retailers, chain stores, and mass merchants in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Oregon, Idaho, Washington, Alaska, and Hawaii. Retailers within this region seeking information about premium GPO products can contact GPO, USA directly or Total Sales and Marketing, LLC at 425-213-2779 or mbarrytsm@gmail.com.

“GPO represents everything that is right about this industry,” said Mark Barry, owner and CEO of Total Sales and Marketing. “They are serious outdoor enthusiasts, they understand dealer and consumer needs, and they care and give back to the industry. It’s an honor to represent quality.”
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Getting companies of this calibre to sign up to a new brand is impressive. They don't commit easily.

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