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Old Monday 23rd January 2017, 22:06   #51
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Tm,

I agree.

I don't think that it will be possible to tell whether Leica's Portuguese made binoculars have better quality control than their German made ones have based on the complaints that we receive about Leica's reputation for antsy and snotty service here on Bird Forum.

I had no problems with Leica service when I purchased new screw on replacement fold down rubber eye cups for my long discontinued Leitz 7x42 Trinovid BA. They did advise me that they were running out of parts for these binoculars and that future repairs, if needed, would be questionable. They also had a computer record of the other Leica binoculars I owned which I had registered with Leica when I purchased them.

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Interesting. That's what I call back up.

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This is all to easy for you Tim. Time to get down the shops in your wheelchair
But for I could Clive, but for I could. Soon (ish)
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For that compact Swaro (no lens caps) decision anticlimax, yawn.
Sorry to disappoint. Fwiw irrespective of ones take on the matter, to not even offer them as an accessory strikes me as a bit silly.

The Swaro Field Pro strap mountings also strike me as a bit meh too. I could well be wrong but they stick out like boils on the sides of those sleek tubes. Are you then committed to using Field Pro compliant straps in perpetuity also?
If so;

'Our survey says- ehhh uhhhh'

(I sem a bit anti-Swarovski at the moment. I'll no doubt play a different tune once I've seen them in person)

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250/mm on eyeglasses. Bloomin eck. Hallelujah I can see !!!
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http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/N...kon-Binoculars
I could get lost in that for days. Thank you. Love data sets. Really need to get out more. Oh wait a minute.....


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I also have a 30 Carson Scout 8x22 reverse porro and I am not ashamed to say that on a summers day this is a great ultra light compact to have along. The top end aren't the be (beginning) and end of all.
Not at all. I really don't want 2k of nickable kit on my person if I can possibly avoid it. I see gaffer tape being judiciously deployed as needs be.

My new EDC bag has turned up today and the mid-sized unnamed bins slip in with plenty of space to spare for the rest of my bits and bobs. Looks like I'm therefore inclined to gravitate towards a mid or a compact full size.

I'll still run the tests on any compacts that fall into my paws just in case.

I've already found that buying cheap(ish) will no doubt lead to buying twice in this game. I remain open to the possibility of spending more money if only to avoid it becoming er......thrice?

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Here is how it has been explained to me. The EU in its wisdom requires that warranties be supported by spare parts made to the same specification as the parts originally used for manufacturing the product. This sounds fine but it has had an unintended consequence and that is that the manufacturers can't use improved components and have to keep a stock of components that are no longer used for production. In binocular terms this means keeping stocks of lenses and prisms for example with outdate coatings or profiles. So in Europe manufacturers are not inclined to sink cash into piles of components that can only be used if a warranty claim requires it. Hence we get 10 years while other territories get 30 years or lifetimes.

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Brilliant !Even if it's not true it's brilliant (not that I doubt it for a second).

Does this mean though that buyers in the USA, where European products appear to offer longer warranties for the same given product,are getting modified parts for their old bins with the upside of better tech but at the expense of, for want of a better term, authenticity?

EU legislation eh? Let's not even touch that subject.

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I figure you might make use of two threads I started in 2012:

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=233869
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=234596

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Interesting. I can do lux and K(kelvin) but arcseconds were a stretch. Very in depth, analytical and wide ranging points.

I certainly won't be messing around with filters but I take your point about Zeiss seeming brighter and therefore a little washed out, as an argument, whilst you see Nikon as being more 'boosted'. I shall have to see if I agree in time.

Thanks for drawing me to the threads.

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Yes, good luck Tim with your choice and future mobility improvement.

It will be interesting to see what finally gets your approval and why (and maybe even a reveal of your scorned secret bin ).
I imagine there will be several bins that get you thinking when the time comes but for some reason or other there will be a winner or possibly several.

If it makes you go WOW HOLY ETC when you take in the view this is a good sign but try and mentally picture how it will look for where or what and when you will be viewing. I only really get to know my bins once I've taken them on some of the routes that I have known for a long time and have previously viewed with quite a few other bins (it's all relative). I don't think a shop viewing can ever really do this but it's better than nothing and if it's nice to handle then that is another important aspect. It's actually amazing how much there actually is to a relatively simple thing like a binocular.

Of course keep asking here if you have any more queries. You will be much better prepared when you finally get to the checkout panic, overexcitment stimulation, danger zone

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Brilliant !Even if it's not true it's brilliant (not that I doubt it for a second).

Does this mean though that buyers in the USA, where European products appear to offer longer warranties for the same given product,are getting modified parts for their old bins with the upside of better tech but at the expense of, for want of a better term, authenticity?


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Folks in the States have reported on here about their bins being returned from repair having had lenses with the latest coatings fitted, so the answer is, yes.

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Folks in the States have reported on here about their bins being returned from repair having had lenses with the latest coatings fitted, so the answer is, yes.

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That happened with Swarovski as I recall with its legendary 7 and 8x30 SLCs and I'm not sure if all of them were done under warranty. I don't recall anything like that with the other big three firms and personally I wouldn't count on it happening with any one of them on a regular basis.

I wonder what the percentage of warranty repairs involving optics is as opposed to those with non-optical and/or mechanical problems?

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That happened with Swarovski as I recall with its legendary 7 and 8x30 SLCs and I'm not sure if all of them were done under warranty. I don't recall anything like that with the other big three firms and personally I wouldn't count on it happening with any one of them on a regular basis.

I wonder what the percentage of warranty repairs involving optics is as opposed to those with non-optical and/or mechanical problems?

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Good question Bob. And I wonder what the percentage of recent models actually get repaired at all rather than simply get replaced?

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Good question Bob. And I wonder what the percentage of recent models actually get repaired at all rather than simply get replaced?

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I suppose that if there are enough new models left in stock it might be more cost effective to replace one rather than have technicians drop what they are doing and repair the problem.

After they get enough of them to sit down and fix them all they end up on the big internet outlet at discount prices with doubtful warrantys.

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Dear All,

Just to say that by sheer chance I found myself with 30 minutes to look at some binoculars in London today. Long story.

Anyway, here's the long and the short of it.

No Monarch HG's at all available. Awaiting stock.

Briefly examined and looked through the following;

Swarovski CL- P 10x25 green
Swarovski CL Companion 10x30 Sandstone/Traveller
Zeiss Conquest HD 10x42 ...er, black !

Impressions (because with simply mere minutes to look at that's all it can be. Just looking out shop window - hardly the most challenging, contrasty or indeed interesting view)

Swaro Cl-P's - Beautifully constructed and balanced little binocular. Perfect movement in the focus dial and fast and silky smooth action. No play.Enough ER for me. Nice pliable eye cups and stepless action on ER adjustment. Just the merest hint of loss of sharpness towards the edge and no discernible CA inside that. Very bright. Diopter adjustment not tested.

Swaro CL Companion - Similarly well constructed and even better balance and ergonomics. Tougher focussing than I expected and a distinct flat spot in both directions. Some sloppy play. Enough ER again. Again, silky smooth stepless eye relief action and yielding eye cup rubber.No real detectable loss of sharpness across the entire field or if so as to be so fractional as not to bother me one bit. No CA but as with all of them, hardly a challenging situation. Also very bright. Diopter adjustment not tested.

Zeiss Conquest HD - Reassuringly solid almost brutal and angular casings. Simple and purposeful aesthetic. 'Stealth Bomber' came to mind. Best focussing of all three. Precise, smooth, positive and seamless. ER felt a little more generous and more than sufficient. Slightly tougher and thicker eye cups but still of good quality and not at all unacceptable. Stepped (3?) ER stages which felt positive and robust. Not thenleast bit plasticy.Couldn't tell and instant difference in overall image sharpness or CA but if anything seemed even brighter. Can't remember how close to the edge field abberations were, sorry. Diopter adjustment not tested.

Take this as you will. Hardly a 'group test' eh? Hardly authorative either. Just some random thoughts on seemingly random sets. I wasn't there at a good time and I wasn't about to ask to get all the toys out. I had to be elsewhere and they were approaching their busy period.

Leica NV and UV HD+ were available but boxed. Another time. With more time I would have tested Nikon Monarch 7s too as well as Opticron which I was pleased to see available. For me this is a marathon not a sprint.

Thoughts; I wasn't wickedly impressed with the optics of any of them but marginally impressed with all of them, if that makes any sense. The build quality and finish of all of them I WAS impressed with. The noticable exception being the CL's focus. Maybe it was just a well thumbed demonstrator and not representative.

Frankly, as much as they were all different sizes it was clear to see that they also had distinctive design characteristics and one will be attracted to some of these and not others depending on taste. It's as much about that as optics I daresay beyond a certain point.

It's a little like golf clubs. I'm a Ping man, not good enough for Mizuno's or Titleist blades and just have never got on with Callaways or TaylorMade. Ping are maybe a bit 'boring' to my low handicap friends but they're great for me.....or they will be should my injuries ever permit me to loft them in anger again.

All sterling equipment. Just not 'right' for me.

One thing I DO know is that a 10x isn't for me just now. That's probably 45% of the available bins. crossed off with one swoosh of the pen. Pretty good afternoons' work.

My journey has begun in earnest.

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Get in there Tim. Result, of sorts

I'm definitely going to follow this. Who knows what will happen?

You're doing fine.

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Yes, good luck Tim with your choice and future mobility improvement.

It will be interesting to see what finally gets your approval and why (and maybe even a reveal of your scorned secret bin ).
I imagine there will be several bins that get you thinking when the time comes but for some reason or other there will be a winner or possibly several.

If it makes you go WOW HOLY ETC when you take in the view this is a good sign but try and mentally picture how it will look for where or what and when you will be viewing. I only really get to know my bins once I've taken them on some of the routes that I have known for a long time and have previously viewed with quite a few other bins (it's all relative). I don't think a shop viewing can ever really do this but it's better than nothing and if it's nice to handle then that is another important aspect. It's actually amazing how much there actually is to a relatively simple thing like a binocular.

Of course keep asking here if you have any more queries. You will be much better prepared when you finally get to the checkout panic, overexcitment stimulation, danger zone
Thanks Clive.
Yes, the quid pro quo of not setting an arbitrary price limit is that I expect something to call out. I'll have held at least one variety of each series I'm interested in (of those freely available) before I'm done.
No- shop viewing not best but better than nothing. To be fair I would be coy about handing over hundreds of pounds worth of optics across the counter to an unknown member of the public. It can't be an easy task for retailers and I bet they've all had their fingers burnt by thieves and chancers at one time or another.
I daresay a visit to somewhere like Leica Mayfair may prove instructive for a grotty surf such as myself. Be amazed if I even made it in the store. Ha ha !
Yes , there is a lot to it isn't there? See my exploits today above. This thing is probably going to be with me, at my, hip, for a lot of my waking life. It will need to perform but also be nice to hold and as pleasing to the eye as industrial design permits.
Afraid to say Nikon looses out big time here. The gold on black hasn't dated well. Fine on a 28-200mm f2.8 IFED Nikkor lens. Naff on binoculars. A minor point and barely significant if the MHG's deliver. They can be blue with yellow polker dots at that point (even that would be better than the McLeatherette black plastic-looking barrel mouldings and 80's gold lettering on some Nikon bino kit)

Yes, buyers remorse is a factor too. One starts to measure such aquisitions in terms of air miles to Barbados or portions of a new car and then you've had it right?

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Thanks for clearing that up Troubador.

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I suppose that if there are enough new models left in stock it might be more cost effective to replace one rather than have technicians drop what they are doing and repair the problem.

After they get enough of them to sit down and fix them all they end up on the big internet outlet at discount prices with doubtful warrantys.

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Ceasar, Troubador,

As has been said, I suppose one should have a reasonable expectation that for the kind of money involved these things just don't go wrong very often if you look after them with respect.

I've read elsewhere that Swarovski's custom service is exceptional even amongst it's peers.

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I'm definitely going to follow this. Who knows what will happen?

You're doing fine.
Thanks Clive.

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Oh, here's a crazy site if you are not already aware of it. Amazing graphs of some pricing trends on each model.
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/N...kon-Binoculars

Inaccurate though. You can buy cheaper shopping around from dealers they don't list.
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Dear All,

Briefly examined and looked through the following;

Swarovski CL- P 10x25 green
Swarovski CL Companion 10x30 Sandstone/Traveller
Zeiss Conquest HD 10x42 ...er, black !


Thoughts; I wasn't wickedly impressed with the optics of any of them but marginally impressed with all of them, if that makes any sense.

My journey has begun in earnest.

All the best

Tm

Ok this stands out a bit. Doesn't really sound very good.

I've owned a Swaro EL, Leica HD and Zeiss FL (all 32mm) and Nikon LXL 8x20 and they were all good/great but I'm not altogether sure they would stand out optically either against bins such as my base model Kowa 8x32 SV.

I suppose bins make me go wow more nowadays when the light is good and is more dependant on that than the actual bin as long as it's good enough. My Hawke Sapphire 8x43 definitely makes me think wow most often but even my little 8x20's can do too.

It may be that some day you are trying a bin and the light is good and you think oh this bin makes things look great.

I have about 10 bins and I use them all at some stage in rotation and to be honest they all have their merits. They're just different in aspects but they all can provide great viewing even the cheapest but they are all at a standard that I myself set and if some bin doesn't meet the level then I get rid.

We're always chasing this perfect bin or camera lens or whatever but maybe they are all good and it doesn't really matter as long as it's good enough and most bins nowdays are better than good enough.

Just a rambling thought.

Post ramble thought. I suppose you were only dealing with 10x bins and the 8x are the more scenic viewing. Yes forget the 10x next time.

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I have about 10 bins and I use them all at some stage in rotation and to be honest they all have their merits. They're just different in aspects but they all can provide great viewing even the cheapest but they are all at a standard that I myself set and if some bin doesn't meet the level then I get rid.

We're always chasing this perfect bin or camera lens or whatever but maybe they are all good and it doesn't really matter as long as it's good enough and most bins nowdays are better than good enough.
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Couldn't agree more. Ask yourself 'which are my best bins?' Answer: the ones you are looking through now.
With an open frame of mind most pairs of bins can give enormous pleasure.

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Couldn't agree more. Ask yourself 'which are my best bins?' Answer: the ones you are looking through now.
With an open frame of mind most pairs of bins can give enormous pleasure.

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Well then, there can only be one conclusion.

Tim is a collector Gasp

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Ok this stands out a bit. Doesn't really sound very good.
'The Sandpeople are easily startled, but they'll be back, and in greater numbers.'

'The Moogpeople are not easily impressed, but they'll be back, and for greater durations'

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I've owned a Swaro EL, Leica HD and Zeiss FL (all 32mm) and Nikon LXL 8x20 and they were all good/great but I'm not altogether sure they would stand out optically either against bins such as my base model Kowa 8x32 SV.

I suppose bins make me go wow more nowadays when the light is good and is more dependant on that than the actual bin as long as it's good enough. My Hawke Sapphire 8x43 definitely makes me think wow most often but even my little 8x20's can do too.
The, 'Poke the bins out of the shop window and try to evaluate everything in one minute before moving on' method is deeply flawed. No doubt. Darn cheaper than the ,'Buy a pair, buy another pair, then change a parameter either before or after the 'x' then buy again, return, maybe keep, change the other parameter and maybe a manufacturer, price point, buy again ibid.' method although neither as satifying or indeed comprehensive from either a retail therapy perspective nor experience points respectively.

I have a benchmark pair. I have a little lense knowledge. I have some time to play with. I know what criteria I'm looking to meet. I'm getting a pretty good idea of what I can and can't lay my paws on.

I only really want to do this once a decade or so as this is not a GASable hobby for me. The binocular is a vehicle to open up the natural world and the, to use a popular meme, mindfulness that brings. In the last two weeks I've seen and researched birds (none that are rare or exotic) that have charmed me and made me far more grateful for their existence than I have ever consciously been aware of before. I've seen a curious fox saunter round my garden at dusk, a tenacious and industrious squirrel go about it's business, my cats exhibit behaviours never seen as they pad their way about outside.
Today, a bunch of Starlings behave like drunken football (soccer)hooligans at a kebab van. Amazing.

All this with just a bit of patience and a pair of inexpensive binoculars and a bit of bribery in the form of feed.
I just can't lose. Even if I stick with the bins Ive got.
I'm just curious to know if I can, with a bit of effort, maybe enhance that fascination with a one time purchase of some different optics. We'll see.

Yep. Good enough will do just fine. I'm yet to define what my personal good enough is. If I had to buy one of the ones I've looked at so far or stick with what I have I'll save my money and keep looking.....or not. It's not a big deal.

Having my eyes opened to the nature around me?

REALLY ENORMOUS DEAL


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That would be nice. Or I get to a point where I can no longer differenciate optical, mechanical or operational quality, get bored and just bust the card out, flip a coin/play eeny meeny miney mo and get done with it.

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I have about 10 bins and I use them all at some stage in rotation and to be honest they all have their merits. They're just different in aspects but they all can provide great viewing even the cheapest but they are all at a standard that I myself set and if some bin doesn't meet the level then I get rid.
No more GAS for me. It's one and Im done.

Probably.

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We're always chasing this perfect bin or camera lens or whatever but maybe they are all good and it doesn't really matter as long as it's good enough and most bins nowdays are better than good enough.
Quite. See above. There is no perfect anything. I'm not even kidding myself I'm looking for perfect. People aren't perfect and people make stuff ipso facto stuff ain't perfect.... or something like that.

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Just a rambling thought.
Ramble away my dear Clive. Ramble away. As long as I see Winter Watch tonight (in which purely on a bingo count Swarovski seems to be the presenters bin of choice to my uneducated eye).

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Post ramble thought. I suppose you were only dealing with 10x bins and the 8x are the more scenic viewing. Yes forget the 10x next time.
No choice without opening pristine boxes and I wasn't either in the mood nor had the time on that occasion.

Next time

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Just kidding of course Tim but there was a time and it probably still exists that holding two Swaro and a Zeiss I would have been doing a lot of Wowing but as you say if there isn't a view and good light and it's all a bit of a rush hassle then it's not ideal.

Really it probably would need some hours back and forthing with a lot of bins and that's only after you've narrowed things down.

I've idled much time doing such a thing at home over the years (which is another benefit (?) of buying loads of bins ) (well you've got to do something to avoid doing something else) as I'm sure most of the enablers on here -with which you surround yourself- will testify.

God I love a good laugh while typing

I rescued a cat recently (a ginger spotted tabby kitten, looked like an Ocicat, I actually named it Octi before I found this out because I got it on the 1st Oct and thought it looked Ocelot like), and subsequently discovered why it had been abandoned when it decided I was good pray practice and since I had fed it up and it gained it's strength, it became downright dangerous. I lost it again and I'm sure it's happier and it escaped before it's deballing appointment and I'm glad about that but no more cats for moi although I still don't think I could walk away and leave one in distress as it was when I found it in a quarry but I discovered even the rescue organisations don't want them either. It may even turn up again but it had better have improved it's behaviour though I doubt it. I definitely got the impression it was looking for wild adventure. Little bugger.
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Just kidding of course Tim but there was a time and it probably still exists that holding two Swaro and a Zeiss I would have been doing a lot of Wowing but as you say if there isn't a view and good light and it's all a bit of a rush hassle then it's not ideal.

Really it probably would need some hours back and forthing with a lot of bins and that's only after you've narrowed things down.

I've idled much time doing such a thing at home over the years (which is another benefit (?) of buying loads of bins ) (well you've got to do something to avoid doing something else) as I'm sure most of the enablers on here -with which you surround yourself- will testify.

God I love a good laugh while typing

I rescued a cat recently (a ginger spotted tabby kitten, looked like an Ocicat, I actually named it Octi before I found this out because I got it on the 1st Oct and thought it looked Ocelot like), and subsequently discovered why it had been abandoned when it decided I was good pray practice and since I had fed it up and it gained it's strength, it became downright dangerous. I lost it again and I'm sure it's happier and it escaped before it's deballing appointment and I'm glad about that but no more cats for moi although I still don't think I could walk away and leave one in distress as it was when I found it in a quarry but I discovered even the rescue organisations don't want them either. It may even turn up again but it had better have improved it's behaviour though I doubt it. I definitely got the impression it was looking for wild adventure. Little bugger.
Enablers - ha ha.
Laughter is a tonic. The best. It all gets a bit too serious sometimes.

Kitty sounds like it's gone ferrel. You did your best Clive. Real beautiful looking cat eh?

Narrowing down. I can't really decide where to carve the cake until I've had a good look at this new Monarch HG.

Purely for the sake of rambling my thinking currently is;

Not a 10x.

ER - it's either ok or it isn't.

With the exception of the MHG and maybe the relatively modest dimensions of any given Leica I'm probably ruling out most 8x42's. A big EL or Victory FL is not really where I'm heading....I think. However, the extra EP at dawn and dusk is a finely balanced thing.

My current kit comes in at around 650g including strap and covers. Weight, to a point, less important than size as a parameter.

FOV - well, anything the same or better than I have is good. The MHG is a bonus there. Zeiss Victory have that one licked bar none if I read the stats. right.

I'm so befuddled by the whole 7x or 8x thing it's driving me nuts. An 8x seems such a stock all rounder but just so many compelling arguments for a 7x.

I'm currently less inclined towards a compact but more so than a big 8x42.

That leaves a 7x or 8x in mid size with the Conquests being an early front runner in an 8.

I'm not wild about open 2 or 3 span bins aesthetically but Leica seem to have pulled it off with the NV and from a more practical, hand holding point of view there is much to credit the format so I believe. It could grow on me.

Build quality, fit and finish and reliability are really important.

Also want to take a cold, deep breath and track back a bit in terms of price point. A good Opticron in the right size,a Monarch 5 (or other Nikon) and a Hawke, maybe Frontier or Sapphire all deserve a really good look at too. They all have much to recommend them.


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Enablers - ha ha.
Laughter is a tonic. The best. It all gets a bit too serious sometimes.

Kitty sounds like it's gone ferrel. You did your best Clive. Real beautiful looking cat eh?

Narrowing down. I can't really decide where to carve the cake until I've had a good look at this new Monarch HG.

Purely for the sake of rambling my thinking currently is;

Not a 10x.

ER - it's either ok or it isn't.

With the exception of the MHG and maybe the relatively modest dimensions of any given Leica I'm probably ruling out most 8x42's. A big EL or Victory FL is not really where I'm heading....I think. However, the extra EP at dawn and dusk is a finely balanced thing.

My current kit comes in at around 650g including strap and covers. Weight, to a point, less important than size as a parameter.

FOV - well, anything the same or better than I have is good. The MHG is a bonus there. Zeiss Victory have that one licked bar none if I read the stats. right.

I'm so befuddled by the whole 7x or 8x thing it's driving me nuts. An 8x seems such a stock all rounder but just so many compelling arguments for a 7x.

I'm currently less inclined towards a compact but more so than a big 8x42.

That leaves a 7x or 8x in mid size with the Conquests being an early front runner in an 8.

I'm not wild about open 2 or 3 span bins aesthetically but Leica seem to have pulled it off with the NV and from a more practical, hand holding point of view there is much to credit the format so I believe. It could grow on me.

Build quality, fit and finish and reliability are really important.

Also want to take a cold, deep breath and track back a bit in terms of price point. A good Opticron in the right size,a Monarch 5 (or other Nikon) and a Hawke, maybe Frontier or Sapphire all deserve a really good look at too. They all have much to recommend them.


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After reading your posts, I would just go with a dependable binocular
you just mentioned, the Nikon Monarch 5. Great optics, and you will
probably not see any difference with others.

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Well then, there can only be one conclusion.

Tim is a collector Gasp

He bought a big bag to hide them in
Ha ha - with more funds undoubtably. But then probably more classic and mould breaking examples of the form over the last century.

I can't deny some toys are more than the sum of their parts whilst others are just functional.

I thought Swiss movement watches were of the former for a while and then thought better of it. They're still wonderful but compromises must be made and it's a rich persons 'sport.'

Compared to that when 2k prettymuch opens up the whole market of cutting edge binoculars?

I prefer fewer toys in the cupboard nowadays. A good example or two of each is more than enough for one lifetime, if chosen wisely. I like the chase of it but once aquired it's about the ongoing function, utility and yes, to some degree, the sense of being pleasing to the eye and the touch.

I hold a dream of putting all my most trusted and used toys in a rucksack and b@ggering off to prop up a tiki bar somewhere remote and exotic one day. It may never happen but I keep a metaphorically half packed bag in my mind just in case.

I once visited a small island off the coast of Australia where I stayed in a tent on a lovely little site which had it's own outdoor tiki bar, angry belligerent possums, it's own resident Kookaburra that would sit on the end of the bar and take nibbles from ones hand and a tree full of beautiful parakeets that liked honey-dipped bread.

That's what I'm talkin' about!

It's at this time of the year in the northern hemisphere that one tends to dwell on such ideas more frequently eh?

So no big bag and no shelf full of binoculars I'm afraid Clive.

An excellent pair of all-round binoculars that will stand the ravages of time and distance should the bag ever be needed and to while away some peaceful moments immersed in natures' wonder until then.

I just about picked out a Goldfinch at about 150 yards against a dull sky today. My first ! Would I have done so with a 7x? With my eyes at the limit of their resolving capabilities? A top quality 7 perhaps, perhaps not.

The Monarch 5's didn't make it on FOV.

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Yes I gave up golf quite a while ago. Birding is much better communing with the universe. Golf is weird but when folks are grinding around in their cars and crap jobs all week then I suppose something artificial like golf is industrial societies way of "being in nature" and getting some exercise. It is a funish game though if you can be bothered.

That dream sounds wonderful. I'm sure we all have them. I know I do for sure.

I've just spent the morning over a coffee fitting a new mainboard to my Revo Super Signal. The sound went due to a leaking electrolyte capacitor and I badgered Revo (out of warranty) to help me out so they sent me a new board to fit myself. I basically scrounged it off them rather than paying the 50 to have them fix it. Actually I only asked them for a photo of a good board so that I could see how to replace the capacitor but they sent me a complete new board instead.

Seems like it contains an updated processor that has realocated functions of the station present buttons but it's all working fine from the remote and otherwise normal again. I'll get onto them. Maybe just needs a different software version.

I believe it my first radio repair attempt so not to bad.

Not sure what this has to do with bins but I thought it interesting anyhow and worthy of a brag. My engineer credentials were somewhat at stake as apparently they are fed up with have a go heroes messing things up but I'm pleased with some of the optical tinkerings I've done also.

If it hadn't worked I was going to send the whole lot to them to fix properly but I don't think I need to do that now so I'm pleased as it's a very good DAB radio.

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