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Old Friday 13th October 2017, 07:26   #51
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Well done Dublin man. Please let us know what you think of them when you have had time to try them out.

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Will do - mine will be an end user comment though, lacking all the technicalities ussually displayed in the forum by the experts (which are great contributions and I enjoy reading).

It actually reminds me when I got my Victory SF 8x42 a few years back. I was looking to upgrade and went to the shop ready to buy another model from a different brand, which cost less than half the price of the Zeiss (again, after months of research and testing).

So I tried that brand/model one last time and compared it vs the Swarovision (which I had already tested) and the Zeiss Victory (which for some reason I hadn't) and was blown away primarily by the "immersive" field of view. It made it feel as if I was perching on the branch next to the bird I was watching...so back to the drawing board, additional research, additional test at different times of the day and went for the Victory at the end. Right decission.

The pocket should arrive today, just in time for the weekend.
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Old Friday 13th October 2017, 23:01   #52
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Just arrived...some initial impressions...
-They literally are baby Victory...same strap and case as the sf but smaller.
-Strap light and comfortable.
-The case's size is what I expected it to be. I red somewhere that some found it too big, but I thought it would be this size. Not to put in your pocket though.
-I only tested them briefly at night, they are a little bit brighter than the 8x20, but not a lot. Field of view is noticeable wider.
-Main size difference vs the 8x20 is its lenght.
-I wish the eye relief was a little longer. My eyelashes as a bit long so they get to touch the front lens, what is a bit annoying. This was worst with the 8x20 and doesn't happen with the sf 8x42. Personally this is something to watch.
-Eye placement is easier than with the 8x20, but I need to test it further.
-I will test it further tomorrow with particular attention to glare control as the difference between the 8x20 and the 8x42 is huge in this regard.
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Old Saturday 14th October 2017, 13:34   #53
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Brief update after this morning... Optic performance is outstanding, no need to elaborate much here. Glare control is excellent, probably at the level of the sf 8x42. It feels very light and comfortable in the hand, my finger rests naturally on the focus knob, which had the right resistance.

I am still getting used to the eyelashes thing I mentioned before as I like resting the binocs against my face, but I need to use them for more hours and time will tell.

Any q feel free to ask.
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Old Saturday 14th October 2017, 14:29   #54
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Brief update after this morning... Optic performance is outstanding, no need to elaborate much here. Glare control is excellent, probably at the level of the sf 8x42. It feels very light and comfortable in the hand, my finger rests naturally on the focus knob, which had the right resistance.

I am still getting used to the eyelashes thing I mentioned before as I like resting the binocs against my face, but I need to use them for more hours and time will tell.

Any q feel free to ask.
Check the user instructions to find out if the eyecups remove for cleaning. If they do you could put a 1.0 or 1.5mm thick rubber o-ring underneath the eyecup to give you a bit more clearance for your eyelashes. Before doing this, unscrew them by this amount and make sure you can still see the full field of view. The other solution is to dab an electric razor against the tips of your lashes and just 'shave' off a tiny amount.

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Old Sunday 15th October 2017, 08:39   #55
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Check the user instructions to find out if the eyecups remove for cleaning. If they do you could put a 1.0 or 1.5mm thick rubber o-ring underneath the eyecup to give you a bit more clearance for your eyelashes. Before doing this, unscrew them by this amount and make sure you can still see the full field of view. The other solution is to dab an electric razor against the tips of your lashes and just 'shave' off a tiny amount.

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Thanks, good idea, just checked and unfortunately they are not removable like the sf's. I need to spend hours with them before doing anything as sometimes you naturally find the best way to use them.

Another option...many years ago I got a pair of winged eyecups from Ace Optiocs. They are a bit expensive but I find them fantastic and I have used them in every binocular every since. I have now ordered a "compact" pair from them as I can easily gain 1 or 2mm with them with the addition benefit of blocking light coming from the side (that is exactly what I do with the "standard size" binocs, so it should work with the compacts.
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Thanks, good idea, just checked and unfortunately they are not removable like the sf's. I need to spend hours with them before doing anything as sometimes you naturally find the best way to use them.

Another option...many years ago I got a pair of winged eyecups from Ace Optiocs. They are a bit expensive but I find them fantastic and I have used them in every binocular every since. I have now ordered a "compact" pair from them as I can easily gain 1 or 2mm with them with the addition benefit of blocking light coming from the side (that is exactly what I do with the "standard size" binocs, so it should work with the compacts.
Neat solution for anyone who does not wear spectacles. Good luck.

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A few hours using it and getting used to, combined with the winged eyecups is making a difference... They feel much more comfortable every time. The fov is just amazing.
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Old Thursday 16th November 2017, 05:12   #58
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Iinitial reflections on the new Zeiss Victory Pocket 8x25.
I have used it in the field only for a few hours, and am not sure when I can do so again.
My visual acuity is ~20/15. Myopic. Astigmatic, ~-1.0. The following tests were each with and without glasses.
Veiling glare: More than in the pocket Leica Ultravids, where it is very slight.
Backlit glare: Well controlled, but more than in the pocket Uvs.
Glare is stated first because it affects other optical parameters (below) when it is present, and also to me the difference between the image when there is veiling glare, for example when the subject is within foliage lit from above or a side, vs when there is none, when the subject is lit evenly or from the front, is a bit nagging; glare when backlit though does not nag me in this way, because it is "naturally" expected.
Sharpness: Very good.
- Vs Swarovski Habicht 8x30. A friend with acuity ~20/12 finds the Zeiss not as sharp. I cannot, or did not, see this difference.
- Vs Ultravid pockets. No direct comparison with the Uv. 8x20 was done, but on comparing with the Uv. 10x25 I feel that the Zeiss will be seen by me to be not quite equal in making out detail when that is done, due to Leica's contrast.
Sweet spot: Image is sharp nearly to the edge.
Color rendering: A little "cool".
Chromatic aberration. I am sensitive to color fringing in that it can be "provoked" easily and here that occurs less than 1/2 way from the center of view. In actual use it was never obtrusive or even noticeable.
Ease of view (quick relaxed observation on putting up to the eyes): Very good. Better than the Hawke Sapphire 8x25 (with smaller eyepiece diameter), which was my last pocket 8x, better than the Uv. 10x25 (with smaller exit pupil). [Edited after further testing to change Hawke comparison from "much" better.] (This too depends on the user.)
Field of view: The FOV of the Hawke, stated to be 6.8 deg., feels only a little less wide than of the Zeiss, stated to be 7.4 deg., so this to me is not striking.
Ergonomics: For my medium/small hands and the way I hold the body, with left index finger on focus knob, grip and balance of body, and focusing action, are very good. Barrels are thicker than of the 25mm pocket Uv. The strap lugs are located such that when the body is folded for ~60mm inter-pupil distance and placed flat on a plane surface it rests on these. This Zeiss can go into a front pocket of regular pants (mine anyway, fairly standard I think!) with that IPD held but the outline is more visible than of the Uv. 10x25, due to the bulkier barrels and the hinges lying less flat.
Finish: Not traditional Zeiss! On inspection, flawed, and armor seems flimsy. But in use the instrument feels robust enough.

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I just got to try the new Victory 8x25 and was really blown away. It has roughly the same exit pupil as my old(ish) Trinovid 10x32, is significantly brighter, has lovely contrast and color, similar sharpness across the field, and weighs less than half as much! Smooth, easy focusing, nice armor (doesn't feel cheap to me; I think the slight ridge at the seams is intentional), love the asymmetric hinge. Cons: I still prefer 10x (which I could have if I wanted to sacrifice EP, which I don't) and the eye relief is crazy high here, too much for the eyecups which I can barely rest against my brow. An increasingly common problem, but I think I could make it work.

I might have to get one. Can anyone recommend a very simple belt pouch (neoprene or nylon) that fits these models snugly when folded closed?

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I might have to get one. Can anyone recommend a very simple belt pouch (neoprene or nylon) that fits these models snugly when folded closed?
I use camera cases from Lowe with all of our compact binos. Works quite well.
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