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Old Sunday 13th August 2017, 16:33   #1
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Dumfries, Scotland: Whooper or Bewicks, .. and in August?

Hello,

This guy showed up today (13 Aug) on the River Nith just a mile south of Dumfries. Based on this location and neck and size, I would have said Whooper, but the rounded yellow patch made me wonder if it's a Bewicks? My other question is, how unusually is it to be here in Dumfries in August? I can upload higher res images if needed.

Thanks for your help as always!
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Old Sunday 13th August 2017, 16:37   #2
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Beak and head shape say Whooper Swan for me.

As for the early arrival? The arctic circles having atrocious weather this summer, so maybe a failed breeder. Nice pics and a smart bird to find!
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Old Sunday 13th August 2017, 16:42   #3
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I saw one outside of Ullapool at the beginning of May. Must say it was an unexpected sight.

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Old Sunday 13th August 2017, 16:50   #4
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It's not too unusual to have Whooper Swans oversummering in Scotland. I also wouldn't say the yellow patch in the bill is particularly rounded but forms a point that extends closer to the bill tip than on Bewick's.
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Old Sunday 13th August 2017, 17:05   #5
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It's not too unusual to have Whooper Swans oversummering in Scotland. I also wouldn't say the yellow patch in the bill is particularly rounded but forms a point that extends closer to the bill tip than on Bewick's.
Agreed!
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It's not too unusual to have Whooper Swans oversummering in Scotland. I also wouldn't say the yellow patch in the bill is particularly rounded but forms a point that extends closer to the bill tip than on Bewick's.
There's actually a small population in parts of Scotland where the Whooper Swans breed and have nests where they have young.
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One or two Whoopers summered in Northumbs this year as well
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Thanks for all the informative replies, always much appreciated!
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There's also always the chance of a captive-raised Whooper that got out of captivity but never learned to migrate...
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I think there are usually one or two Whoopers all year round at Caerlaverock WWT which is just a couple of miles south of Dumfries.
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