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Old Friday 1st September 2017, 13:27   #51
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There are stil those of us who love low power binos and actually buy them and use them.
I know. In fact, I also quite like 7x (and use a 7x42 porro quite a lot). If Leica really make a run of 7x35s like the old Trinovid, I'd get one more or less straightaway. The old Trinovid was in many ways a great bin. It needs modern multicoatings, dielectric coatings on the prisms and phasecoatings to be competitive. Nothing else.

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Hi,

a true legend from Leitz would be the a reissue of the Amplivid 6x24 with 12 deg TFOV... But please with dielectric mirrors and with decent edge perfomance (which will be an interesting exercise for the optics designer).

Regarding Abbe-Koenig and Schmidt-Pechan prisms - the former can be cemented and they usually are. The latter cannot be cemented since the surface between the two prisms is used for reflection and transmission - cementing would make the reflection part a bit difficult...

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Old Friday 1st September 2017, 16:51   #53
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I know. In fact, I also quite like 7x (and use a 7x42 porro quite a lot). If Leica really make a run of 7x35s like the old Trinovid, I'd get one more or less straightaway. The old Trinovid was in many ways a great bin. It needs modern multicoatings, dielectric coatings on the prisms and phasecoatings to be competitive. Nothing else.

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Even though I already have a Leica 7x42 it will still be tempting to grab this new 7x35 classic Trinovid even though I don't need it.
Being a Leica fan it's all very tempting. It may be nice to have a lighter 7x on hand too. I'll have to really think about it. I could go with the 10x40 since I don't have a 10x and it could be used for certain situations, but in reality I don't really need a 10x either. I'll wait to see the new bins and specs and take my time thinking about it. If the price is ridiculous then it will be easy to pass.
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There are stil those of us who love low power binos and actually buy them and use them.

My birding binos are 7x42 and 6x32. I don't use anything else.

It's true they don't sell well, but I still like talking about them here.
Same here. I love my 7x42 Ulravid HDs That walk in view and wide field, With hardly any need to focus. And my Zeiss 7x42s BGAT Well were do you start
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Even though I already have a Leica 7x42 it will still be tempting to grab this new 7x35 classic Trinovid even though I don't need it.
Unless Leica "improved" the old Trinovid 7x35 by incorporating more features some people seem to find important nowadays, it has one thing going for it: It's a lot lighter than the 7x42. The old Trinovid was about 550 gr, that's about 200 gr less than the 7x42. And that *does* make a difference in the field.

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a true legend from Leitz would be the a reissue of the Amplivid 6x24 with 12 deg TFOV... But please with dielectric mirrors and with decent edge perfomance (which will be an interesting exercise for the optics designer).

Regarding Abbe-Koenig and Schmidt-Pechan prisms - the former can be cemented and they usually are. The latter cannot be cemented since the surface between the two prisms is used for reflection and transmission - cementing would make the reflection part a bit difficult...

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I owned an Amplivid and sadly found it hard to use.
The derisory eye relief made it impossible for me to benefit from the large FoV you describe.
It is a great glass perhaps for those who don't need glasses or who have had the needed eye surgery. I fail both tests.
I'd love to have a usable wide field glass, but there are none offered afaik.
Presumably the laws of optics make it very difficult, but no one has tried either.
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I know. In fact, I also quite like 7x (and use a 7x42 porro quite a lot). If Leica really make a run of 7x35s like the old Trinovid, I'd get one more or less straightaway. The old Trinovid was in many ways a great bin. It needs modern multicoatings, dielectric coatings on the prisms and phasecoatings to be competitive. Nothing else.

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Nothing else? Really?

How about a rain guard? For the original Leitz Trinovid a rain guard had to be bought as an after sales accessory. Even if Leica would take them in production again, would you still accept that?

An even more important aspect in dire need of a solution, is the eye cup. Note that the design harks back to the days of the rubber roll up-roll down cups, incapable of in-between settings. Now, here comes the 7x35, a configuration that never had a dedicated pair of eye cups. The 14 mm cups it came with are simply too short for the majority of users, and the 19 mm used on the 7x42 simply too long. I'm eagerly awaiting Leica's answer tot the problem.

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How about a rain guard? For the original Leitz Trinovid a rain guard had to be bought as an after sales accessory. Even if Leica would take them in production again, would you still accept that?
Yes, I would. Simply because the great majority of rainguards supplied nowadays don't work all that well for me, so I normally use an old Zeiss rubber rainguard originally made for the Zeiss Dialyt. Or I'd make one myself from leather because the Zeiss rubber rainguard is probably a bit big for such a small binocular.

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An even more important aspect in dire need of a solution, is the eye cup. Note that the design harks back to the days of the rubber roll up-roll down cups, incapable of in-between settings. Now, here comes the 7x35, a configuration that never had a dedicated pair of eye cups. The 14 mm cups it came with are simply too short for the majority of users, and the 19 mm used on the 7x42 simply too long. I'm eagerly awaiting Leica's answer tot the problem.
That's a valid point, of course. One of the 7x35s I tried many years ago had hard eyecups, so these must have been available as well at some stage. Anyway, making rubber eyecups in different lengths shouldn't really pose insurmountable problems to Leica.

By the way, do you by any chance know much eyerelief the 7x35 had? I can't find any reference to that anymore, I only remember it was more than the Trinovid 10x40 had.

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Just don't understand how all you guys get so excited about such an unimaginative and retrograde set of bins. Something that probably only compounds LEICA's lack of drive to produce a truly cutting edge instrument.

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Just don't understand how all you guys get so excited about such an unimaginative and retrograde set of bins. Something that probably only compounds LEICA's lack of drive to produce a truly cutting edge instrument.
Now ... How does that ignore function work?

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Not responding to a post that fails to float your canoe?

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Just don't understand how all you guys get so excited about such an unimaginative and retrograde set of bins. Something that probably only compounds LEICA's lack of drive to produce a truly cutting edge instrument.

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I'm excited about the possibility of a hybrid; classic body and lightweight with modern tweaks such as updated glass/coatings and hopefully modern eye cups and nice smooth focus. If this will be the old body with upgrades it could be a great feather weight bino.

We will see in a couple of days. Perhaps it will be something I may lose interest in or could be awesome and it depends on what they present to us on Monday. I think this is what people are excited about - what it could be.
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Not to speak for others, but wouldn't you consider the Noctivid as ''cutting edge''?

I haven't seen one but reports suggest it at least equals the best out there...
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So is the Amplivid.
It easily fits in my pocket.
Although it was difficult to maintain in tip top order.

But the Canon IS binoculars are also difficult to maintain.
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Comparing the two, regardless of what specs might say, the old Amplivid has more eye relief than the 6x24 Trinovid. I find it a bit easier to use...but I don't wear specs so it's not a big deal for me. The trinovid is a tad brighter. The Amplivid is comparable in size to my technically excellent but otherwise quite useless Zeiss 8x20 compacts - the ~60yo Amplivid and the slightly later 6x24 trinovid destroy the small Zeiss as a useful compact viewing instrument.
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Just don't understand how all you guys get so excited about such an unimaginative and retrograde set of bins. Something that probably only compounds LEICA's lack of drive to produce a truly cutting edge instrument.

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Have you seen Uppendahl prisms? The were and remain unique to this model.
And if true to the originals should be super lightweight.

Cutting edge is great and its one reason why I like Zeiss's boldness with the SF's optical train, but nobody is using Uppendahl prisms today so these Trinovids would be treading a very independent path indeed.

This will make some traditionalists groan: I hope it focuses down to 1.5 metres!

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It will focus down to minus 1 metre so we can see any creatures behind us.

If these new binoculars have really wide fields I can see myself getting one. If not there isn't much point for me.

The Australians should be able to buy one now as it is 4th September there.
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It will focus down to minus 1 metre so we can see any creatures behind us.
I doubt this. Leica did not see Swarovski gaining on them.
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If these new binoculars have really wide fields I can see myself getting one. If not there isn't much point for me.

The Australians should be able to buy one now as it is 4th September there.
How much FOV would you like?

...it's 16 hours into the 4th of September here and no word yet
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12.5 or 13 degrees 6x24.
11 or 11.5 degrees 7x35
10 degrees 8x40.
8 degrees 10x40.
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Just rang Leica Mayfair shop.
The bloke knew nothing about them.

4th September 2018?
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Maybe they are waiting for the americans to wake up

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You can see the new trinovids here:

https://en.leica-camera.com/Sport-Op...eica-Trinovid2

7x35 with 150 m FOV (550 grams)
8x40 129m (600 grams)
10x40 110m, 600 grams, 635g (rubber armored)

All with 15 mm ER. Any kind of ED/HD glass is not mentioned. Made in Portugal.
Splash proof but not water proof, i.e. not nitrogen purged.

Price, in the press release:

https://en.leica-camera.com/Company/...ern-technology

Price (RRP in €)
7x35: 1,250 – 1,450
8x40: 1,350 – 1,550
10x40: 1,400 – 1,600

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I see they are only described as "splash proof".
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Yes and just 110 m field of view for 10x40
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